New Jersey Drone Sightings May Not Be Drones. By Professor Will Austin.

slozukimc · Saturday at 9:51 AM

I live in Schuyler county NY. I just watched one of these drones last night at about 9:30pm. It travelled south over Seneca lake and continued down the valley toward Elmira. I was too curious to think about getting a pic. It was similar in size to an ultralight maybe a hair longer. It travelled quite slowly. Just guessing maybe 20mph or so. I have flown my drones on the same path in the daylight so that’s my comparison. The sound was certainly large UAS. I am familiar with the big Agras rigs and it sounded similar but bigger. It had a white light on the front aimed toward the ground and red and green lights on the tail. It appeared to be well over 400’ above the ground below it but being I am up on the hill it was just over my line of sight so I was almost looking straight at it. It was less than 1/2 mile away from me. Not sure exact distance but I can still see my M100 from my house flying where the drone was.

So, I can tell you it was certainly some form of drone and not a manned aircraft. No one around here has drones that big other than the military that has a drone program based out of Syracuse NY. That is 90 miles away and if it was the military then it seems that someone might have a clue what is going on. But then again maybe they wouldn’t say……..

I know I am nervous about unknown UAS flying grids over our Nation in such a voliatile time.

Mike

Zbip57 · Saturday at 10:02 AM

AeroJ said:
I watched that hilarious senate hearing this afternoon, where the FBI mainly shrugged and said they didn't know what they were, and that, despite being lit up like xmas trees most of the time, they 'go dark and disappear whenever we try to track them', which sounded rather lame at best !

If they have the ability to "go dark and disappear", wouldn't it make more sense to run invisibly the whole time?

So many of the "car-sized drones" shown in news clippings are quite clearly every day normal manned aircraft. Why is it that every time someone posts meaningless blurry photos of blobs of lights, it's automatically some sort of mystery worth causing panic, where your elected officials pronounce that it's Iranian mother ships in the Atlantic launching drones swarms? Cue MTG claiming forest fires are caused by Jewish space lasers. Sheesh.

AeroJ · Saturday at 12:02 PM

Zbip57 said:
If they have the ability to "go dark and disappear", wouldn't it make more sense to run invisibly the whole time?

Not if their aim was to demonstrate contempt for the airspace. I place a small amount of credulity to the theory that this could be 'posturing' by foreign powers to demonstrate that they can fly stuff over our nuclear sites with relative impunity. An offshoot of that theory worries further about EMP attacks on strategic electronics / weapon and power control systems, and payloads potentially carried by the 'drones'. It is more worrying to me that these things appear to be mainly around nuclear and power sites, and all around the world, including Europe and the UK, although there does seem to be some correlation between US bases rather than the country's own, which I find curious.

I suppose it is useful in that at least it has made it abundantly clear to the defence departments that a) there is a big gap in their defence capability if they can't track these back to source or disable them with current tech, and b) it actively demonstrates to authorities and hobbyists like us that Remote ID and all the silly OTT laws that have been put in place around consumer drones do absolutely nothing to stop bad actors doing their thing despite them, and all the counter drone tech they have poured endless $$$ into so far is useless for this type of 'threat'.

'We don't know' is, frankly, a **** answer from people who are meant to be in charge of defending our countries !

Zbip57 · Saturday at 1:02 PM

slozukimc said:
I know I am nervous about unknown UAS flying grids over our Nation in such a volatile time.

I did a couple of drone videos for a friend 11 years ago when he hosted an Octoberfest party with a fireworks display. Prior to setting off the fireworks, we launched Chinese lanterns, miniature hot air balloons powered by candles. (Yes, I know, they're not environmentally friendly.)

Imagine the mass hysteria if anyone tried this in New Jersey, "in such a volatile time[?]" Multi-coloured lights flying silently in random patterns at night.

Zbip57 · Saturday at 1:12 PM

AeroJ said:
I place a small amount of credulity to the theory that this could be 'posturing' by foreign powers to demonstrate that they can fly stuff over our nuclear sites with relative impunity.

There has been no definitive proof whatsoever that:

Anything other than normal manned aircraft are involved, or
that foreign powers are involved.

AeroJ said:
[...] at least it has made it abundantly clear to the defence departments that there is a big gap in their defence capability if they can't track these back to source or disable them with current tech...

Or, it's abundantly clear that there's nothing there to be tracked.

slozukimc · Saturday at 1:39 PM

Zbip57 said:
I did a couple of drone videos for a friend 11 years ago when he hosted an Octoberfest party with a fireworks display. Prior to setting off the fireworks, we launched Chinese lanterns, miniature hot air balloons powered by candles. (Yes, I know, they're not environmentally friendly.)

Imagine the mass hysteria if anyone tried this in New Jersey, "in such a volatile time[?]" Multi-coloured lights flying silently in random patterns at night.

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There is a huge difference between your lanterns and actual UAS flying around.

slozukimc · Saturday at 1:42 PM

Zbip57 said:
There has been no definitive proof whatsoever that:

Anything other than normal manned aircraft are involved, or

that foreign powers are involved.

Or, it's abundantly clear that there's nothing there to be tracked.

I can tell you what I saw last night was not a typical manned aircraft. I can’t say for certain it was not manned but it was not typical of what is seen around here.

Mike

Zbip57 · Saturday at 2:35 PM

slozukimc said:
There is a huge difference between your lanterns and actual UAS flying around.

There's also a huge difference between normal airliners and car-sized drones, even if they're both equipped with clearly recognizable navigational lights, strobe beacons, and landing lights.

slozukimc said:
I can tell you what I saw last night was not a typical manned aircraft.

This LED night flyer kite is also not a typical manned aircraft, but that doesn't automatically make it spaceship flown by green martians or a car-sized drone flown by Iranians from a mother ship floating in the Atlantic.

Calling it the "The Clearest Images Of The UFO Drones" doesn't make it a drone or a UFO. It's just a delta wing shaped kite. I had one of these as a kid. It was super cool and novel because it had two strings, allowing it to be steered into loops and dives. Mine never had LED lighting like this one, because LEDs weren't even invented yet. But, except for the lights, it looks exactly like the kite I had as a kid.

AeroJ said:
it is an unusually clear set of pictures showing lights that are not in any sort of pattern I would associate with manned aircraft, and because I'm just fascinated to know what it is, and, more widely what they are ! Against my better judgment, I don't think all these sightings are regular craft. Some of them definitely are, but the ones that aren't REALLY aren't !

Yup. That one is not a regular manned aircraft. It's an unusually clear picture of a kite.

The key is it's a clear picture.

None of the posted fuzzy blurs of light, showing nothing useful at all, are proof of an alien invasion, but gullible idiots will start seeing aliens hiding under their beds.

In every one of the photos and videos posted of these supposed New Jersey drones, they're either blurry and totally useless, or just clear enough that it's perfectly obvious it's a normal manned aircraft.

Zbip57 · Saturday at 4:24 PM

Here's a kite similar to the one I had as a kid. This one doesn't have LED lights, but they do exist. Google: "led kite night flying"

www.amazon.com/HENGDA-KITE-Upgrade-Adults-Outdoor-Included/dp/B07N8PB7H7

Zbip57 · Sunday at 10:03 AM

After some deep thought, careful analysis, scientific calculation, thorough investigation, and exhaustive research, I have uncovered this unusually clear set of pictures, providing definitely the "The Clearest Images Of The UFO Drones" so far.

Behold the truth revealed!

moldorf · Sunday at 2:35 PM

AeroJ said:
Yep, definitely agree a lot of what is being latterly reported by the general public seems to be a lot of manned aviation.
Things with flashing green and red lights do seem to feature quite heavily. But, in what I will endeavour to make the last video I post on the subject, here is a very interesting one I found yesterday containing radio comms between various pilots in-flight and a delightfully curious ATC. What they are reporting is zipping in and out over the coast, moving at incredible speeds between 14K and 55K (!) flight level and is showing up on TCAS !

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So what's THAT then ?! THESE people are not lunatics

thanks for that video. I live in Oregon so it was pretty interesting. And yeah, I find commercial pilots and medivac pilots & crew pretty credible

by the way, if they make a drone capable of doing what this UFO did: flying at mach 2 or mach 3 from 14,000' to 55,000' altitude, I'd buy one as soon as it drops below $3000!!

mavic3usa · Sunday at 6:31 PM

moldorf said:
by the way, if they make a drone capable of doing what this UFO did: flying at mach 2 or mach 3 from 14,000' to 55,000' altitude, I'd buy one as soon as it drops below $3000!!

Yep same here, I want one of those too!

eEridani · Sunday at 7:51 PM

AeroJ said:
Yep, definitely agree a lot of what is being latterly reported by the general public seems to be a lot of manned aviation.
Things with flashing green and red lights do seem to feature quite heavily. But, in what I will endeavour to make the last video I post on the subject, here is a very interesting one I found yesterday containing radio comms between various pilots in-flight and a delightfully curious ATC. What they are reporting is zipping in and out over the coast, moving at incredible speeds between 14K and 55K (!) flight level and is showing up on TCAS !

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So what's THAT then ?! THESE people are not lunatics

I like the image of Venus at the 5:59 mark ... lol. Why is that in there?

Chip · Sunday at 8:48 PM

This guy works on classified drone projects but not the one in the news. I got a good laugh when he said all of these drones are supposed to be registered and using Remote ID. I agree 100% but tell it to the FAA or a federal official who cares.

Zbip57 · Monday at 12:36 PM

Chip · Monday at 1:26 PM

The drone sightings check a lot of DHS boxes on signs of suspicious activity that should be reported to state and local authorities. It's called See Something Say Something. The DHS instructions say not to report to DHS but to state and local law enforcement who are overwhelmed and understaffed for such a crisis especially one created and stoked by deceptive federal actors pursuing secret agendas.

Zbip57 · Monday at 2:21 PM

Has anyone ever produced any evidence of actual New Jersey drone sightings, with time/date/location, which are definitely not just normal aircraft?

If you've never before noticed Venus in the evening sky, or the three stars of Orion's belt, or any of the thousands of low earth orbiting satellites, and you've somehow never before seen an aircraft flying at night, and can't tell them apart when you see a light in the sky, what makes you conclude that it must be a "drone"?

If you recognize what is obviously an everyday normal aircraft, you don't immediately jump to the conclusion that it's up to some sort of nefarious business. If instead you conclude that same light in the sky must be a drone, why does that suddenly mean there's a Martian invasion or an Iranian mothership operating on the ocean?

Even if it conclusively is a drone, why is that cause for mass hysteria and paranoia? It's not illegal to fly a drone at night.

eEridani · Monday at 2:54 PM

AeroJ said:
Yep, definitely agree a lot of what is being latterly reported by the general public seems to be a lot of manned aviation.
Things with flashing green and red lights do seem to feature quite heavily. But, in what I will endeavour to make the last video I post on the subject, here is a very interesting one I found yesterday containing radio comms between various pilots in-flight and a delightfully curious ATC. What they are reporting is zipping in and out over the coast, moving at incredible speeds between 14K and 55K (!) flight level and is showing up on TCAS !

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So what's THAT then ?! THESE people are not lunatics

An "anything" zipping along at 55k at sea level would be flaming with ionized atmosphere in tow.

Chip · Monday at 3:06 PM

Zbip57 said:
Even if it conclusively is a drone, why is that cause for mass hysteria and paranoia? It's not illegal to fly a drone at night.

Because the drone flights are very extraordinary, have been witnessed by many, yet are denied by the federal government. In the absence of credible explanation by federal government, the public may panic. But this is why I am beginning to think there may be an underlying terrorist threat.

For example, check this journalist's twitter:
Becker

Radiation Spikes in NY & NJ Metro Detected Amid Drone Sightings

There have been significant radiation spikes detected in the New York and New Jersey Metro areas amid a spate of ‘mysterious’ drone sightings. Two locations in the NY/NJ metro area have been flagged as condition "red," with CPM (counts per minute) levels exceeding the safety threshold of 200 CPM over the past week, according to the Geiger Counter World Map. One 1000 CPM reading was detected at Hamilton Park in Weehawken, New Jersey, across the Lincoln Tunnel going into New York City, while the other was detected near Fort Hamilton, which is located near the Verrazano Narrows bridge...

I tried to check the Geiger Counter World Map. I was just starting to learn to use the map correctly when the link went down so I cannot personally verify how the areas identified by Becker are marked. It is an interesting map because if it is reliable then it allows the public to monitor community radiation levels.

Addendum: Geiger Counter World Map just came up again. It looks to me like it says just what Kyle Becker says it does.

https://www.gmcmap.com/index.asp

mavic3usa · Monday at 3:07 PM

Zbip57 said:
Even if it conclusively is a drone, why is that cause for mass hysteria and paranoia? It's not illegal to fly a drone at night.

Look at you walking it back. "Ok, so if it's a drone...so what?"

You keep missing the point.

People are not alarmed by drones.

People are alarmed when they see a drone and the government is blind and can't see it. Or deny it. Or lie about it.
People are alarmed when their government tells them 50 lights in a group in the sky are 50 commercial planes trying to land at the airport 25 miles away at the same time so they can all make their tight schedules.
People are alarmed when the government sends a bunch of shills to flood the internet with fake pictures and pictures of obvious manned aircraft in an attempt to keep the narrative under control.
People are alarmed when the police can throw anyone in jail for apparently flying a drone last week in a place you shouldn't be flying and they never saw you fly the drone but police can't do anything about it when you are flying a drone directly on top of them or under them and they are looking directly at the drone but they can't arrest anybody.
People are alarmed when you say there's nothing here to see, it's your imagination, these are all manned drones and then you later start to change your tune and make up excuses for why some of the sightings are indeed drones but only after it is nearly impossible to do anything about it; just keep denying it until some goofy congressman starts talking about motherships and then we'll seize the conversation.

This has nothing to do with legal or illegal flight and everything to do with....for example, a drone flying over a military base and the military saying that's fine, no problem...we get this all the time. Or a drone doing circles around a critical infrastructure and the critical infrastructure people claiming they never saw that drone doing circles around their building. Sometimes Southwest Airlines cut thru here when they're in a hurry to beat the traffic and when they are early, they do circles here to shed off the time.

There is no mass hysteria or paranoia, you haven't see that yet. It's going to take someone getting hurt or someone getting killed or some significant property damage for their to be mass hysteria.

It's not illegal to fly a drone at night. We've told you what is illegal (without a wavier) for the most part:

1.Operating a drone in a careless or reckless manner near and around other manned aircraft or airport.
2.Operating a drone beyond visual line of sight.
3.Operating a drone above 400 feet AGL.
4.Operating a [recreational] drone in controlled airspace at night without LAANC.
5.Operating a drone without navigation lights.
6.Operating a drone without RID.
7.Operating a drone in restricted airspace or during a TFR such as over a military base.

The Philadelphia drone criminal is totally off the hook with the FAA as far as I'm concerned (that's another story).

Finally people are alarmed when the government seems to believe if you don't look up in the sky often and then one day you look up, you might not know what you are seeing. Kinda like if you live in Nebraska and you don't look off into the ocean, if you visit Florida and you look out to sea, you might not recognize the difference between a whale and a tanker.