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Hi all,

Drone is completely new to me. I'm prepared purchasing a drone for traveling and for self-capturing myself in video.

Currently I'm using a smart phone as camera mounted at the end of an extension and controlled by another smart phone, as controller, mounted at the handle of the extension rod, using "Remote Desktop" technology to control the camera because the camera unable to be reached by my hand. It works seamlessly but having following drawback.
1) I'm captured in the video always with my head bending down because looking at the controller
2) The view of scene is small.

Can I use a drone for this purpose. The setup of the drone must be quick because the Travel Team is moving on. They won't wait for me to capture video.

The countries to be visited;
(9 countries in Balkan, Southern Europe)
Albania
Bosnia
Bulgaria
Croatia
Macedonia
Montenegro
Romania
Serbia
Slovenia

Please advise. Thanks

Regards
 
There are drones that can track you but you should bear in mind local/national laws regarding drone weight/mass and how close the drone can be to people who are not 'involved' in the shot.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your advice.

drone laws Albania
  1. If the drone weighs more than 25 kg (55 lbs), most States require you to obtain a permit before operating it.
  2. If you are paid to use the drone or if you use it for research, most States require you to obtain a permit before operating it.
  3. Keep your drone within eyesight at all times.
  4. Read the user’s manual thoroughly before operating your drone.
  5. Check your drone before each flight.
  6. Don’t fly within 50 meters (55 yards) of or over people, property, or vehicles.
  7. Don’t fly more than 150 meters (490 feet) from the ground.
  8. Don’t fly near an airport. Stay at least 8km (5 miles) away.
I have checked them. The weight of drone should be less than 25kg

The most importance is quick in its setup/start because the Group Tour won't wait for me. Besides will the drone follow me while I'm moving

Regards
 
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You seems to think that a drone is another "camera on a stick" not requiring anything extra in itself.

When new to drone flying nearly 100% of your attention, learning & time goes to the flying in itself... you will not be able to just carry on with what you've done so far immediately. The time you need to invest in the flying & all around that before you can start to focus on videoing again differ from pilot to pilot.

The treacherous with DJI drones is that they seems to be flying by there self & can intervene if the pilot does something bad due to ignorance... but if you fall into that thinking you will crash sooner or later, we have seen numerous examples of that here at the forum.

If you can't find enough time to drop what's your main purpose (videoing)... & just focus on learning to fly & understand why/how a drone can fly... you shouldn't start to use a drone in your work flow, you will most probably then just be another newbie coming here asking for help because you've crashed your drone & don't understand why.
 
You seems to think that a drone is another "camera on a stick" not requiring anything extra in itself.

When new to drone flying nearly 100% of your attention, learning & time goes to the flying in itself... you will not be able to just carry on with what you've done so far immediately. The time you need to invest in the flying & all around that before you can start to focus on videoing again differ from pilot to pilot.

The treacherous with DJI drones is that they seems to be flying by there self & can intervene if the pilot does something bad due to ignorance... but if you fall into that thinking you will crash sooner or later, we have seen numerous examples of that here at the forum.

If you can't find enough time to drop what's your main purpose (videoing)... & just focus on learning to fly & understand why/how a drone can fly... you shouldn't start to use a drone in your work flow, you will most probably then just be another newbie coming here asking for help because you've crashed your drone & don't understand why.
Hi,

Thanks for your advice. Please shed me some light on following questions.

1) How long should I invest to learn flying the drone, approximately.
2) Will a small foot ball ground provide me sufficient space for learning its flying.
3) What other points I need paying attention to on learning

Thanks

Regards
 
Hi,

Thanks for your advice. Please shed me some light on following questions.

1) How long should I invest to learn flying the drone, approximately.
2) Will a small foot ball ground provide me sufficient space for learning its flying.
3) What other points I need paying attention to on learning
When you know why & how a DJI drone can fly stable... even during outside influence (like windy weather), and how it can hold position when just hovering... and more important, when & during which circumstances it no longer can't, then you might have sufficient knowledge to do proper risk assessments regarding putting a camera up in the air.

When it later comes to the different automated flight modes (like Follow Me or Tracking) they on their own have limitations & requirements that you need to understand in order to utilize them properly & without mishaps & crashes.

Flying drones require an array of different understandings, knowledge & experiences in order to be safe & being under YOUR control... & not just being sheer luck that the drone returned to you in one piece (a not harming yourself, somebody else or something in the process) with a video result that you can use.

So... how long will it take to learn all this and being a safe & confident drone pilot... in general impossible to answer I'm afraid. I'm recommending you to treat this with drone flying as a side hobby until you've reached a level of confidence where you feels that you can safely merge your videoing interest with drone flying.

Besides all above (which is crucial in order to foresee risks) you also have the plain process of flying, launching, landing, disconnects, apps, obstacle avoidance, sensors, heights, battery management & care, propellers, pre flight checks, magnetic disturbance, calibrations, flight logs & flight regulations.

Below are the bare basics of flying a GPS supported camera drone...


Read the user manual...the thick downloadable one, not only the quick start coming in the box, download here -->(DJI's product page for the drone model in question)

Power on in the right order... First power on your RC & start the app... after that, power on the drone (& do it on the spot you're going to take off from). Reverse order to shut down.

Preferably power on the drone keeping it horizontal in your out stretched hand (without watches, rings or other magnetic objects) … once the live view have turned up in your mobile device you can put it on ground for take-off. (This supports the point below…)

Before take-off ALWAYS... add in one very easy check to avoid a really scary event coming from accidentally launching from a magnetic disturbed place with following flyaway at height in an uncontrollable circular or straight flight path. After powering on your drone, connected to your RC/app & placed it in the take-off spot... but before lift-off, ALWAYS check that the drone icon on the map in your app is pointing equal in relation to other objects in the map as the drone does in reality... if not, abort launch attempt, POWER DOWN & move away, power up again and repeat.

Keep well under the wind spec where you fly ... and please note that it's not only at ground, it's at the altitude where you fly. The winds up to 400ft are very different then on ground. Use for instance the UAV Forecast app where you can get a feeling about the winds on higher altitudes, but please note that it's forecasts we are speaking of, a bit of common sense is good to apply to that... "better skip flying a windy day & fly more another".

Don't go & calibrate everything on a regularly basis... why fix things that are working, it's just a higher risk that you by mistake calibrate your compass in a magnetic disturbed area & the drone goes haywire 10 meters up in the air. Calibrate IMU + compass according to user manual, keep away from magnetic things like cars, metal tables & reinforced concrete at take-off & compass calibrations. If the app recommend a compass calibration first try another launch spot on a far distance from the first... if calibration still is recommended by the app do it, but only then.

Don't launch in a hurry... wait until you have sufficient number of locked satellites & wait for the lady voice in the app to announce that the Home point has been updated, check then on the map that it's in the correct spot. Learn how the RTH function works (it can work differently depending on scenario & drone model), don't set the altitude for that unnecessary high, look around were you are going to fly and set it to clear the highest obstacle, to high & the drone risks a blow away.

Seek up a large open place... a soccer field, free of obstacles & people. Test off every function one at a time until you fully understand how it works & the logic behind, confirm through the user manual if needed. Fly low, slow & near. And don’t try to fly indoors before you exactly know what makes these machines fly stable … you only risk your interior & to damage your drone in the process.

Take the claimed control distance from DJI with a pinch of salt... only doable out in the countryside completely free of WiFi disturbance & obstacles in between the Remote & Aircraft.

Don't rely 100% on the obstacle avoidance sensors... they are good & handy to have to perhaps save you when making a mistake, but they can't see everything, especially thin branches & wires so don't think they will allow your drone to just bounce away from everything all the time. Also note that they need plenty of light& a GPS lock to work properly, too dark or no GPS position & they will turn off.

The Pause button on the RC... It's a handy one, it will stop all automated modes immediately (if you have GPS coverage). Place your thumb on that when you initiate an automated flight mode & be prepare to stop it if too close to a tree for instance.

Don't use the RTH button as a "panic button" it's usually the weakest mode of them all... you will always have access to more power in the manual modes... if slow against a bit to strong head wind, go for Sport mode, drop altitude & manoeuvre the drone home manually.

Learn the rules & regulation ... keep the drone within Visual line of sight & respect max altitudes, if you can't avoid going out of visual keep it at least in line of sight (unobstructed line between Remote & Aircraft even though you don't see it) so you don’t lose the connection.
 
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When you know why & how a DJI drone can fly stable... even during outside influence (like windy weather), and how it can hold position when just hovering... and more important, when & during which circumstances it no longer can't, then you might have sufficient knowledge to do proper risk assessments regarding putting a camera up in the air.

When it later comes to the different automated flight modes (like Follow Me or Tracking) they on their own have limitations & requirements that you need to understand in order to utilize them properly & without mishaps & crashes.

Flying drones require an array of different understandings, knowledge & experiences in order to be safe & being under YOUR control... & not just being sheer luck that the drone returned to you in one piece (a not harming yourself, somebody else or something in the process) with a video result that you can use.

So... how long will it take to learn all this and being a safe & confident drone pilot... in general impossible to answer I'm afraid. I'm recommending you to treat this with drone flying as a side hobby until you've reached a level of confidence where you feels that you can safely merge your videoing interest with drone flying.

Besides all above (which is crucial in order to foresee risks) you also have the plain process of flying, launching, landing, disconnects, apps, obstacle avoidance, sensors, heights, battery management & care, propellers, pre flight checks, magnetic disturbance, calibrations, flight logs & flight regulations.

Below are the bare basics of flying a GPS supported camera drone...


Read the user manual...the thick downloadable one, not only the quick start coming in the box, download here -->(DJI's product page for the drone model in question)

Power on in the right order... First power on your RC & start the app... after that, power on the drone (& do it on the spot you're going to take off from). Reverse order to shut down.

Preferably power on the drone keeping it horizontal in your out stretched hand (without watches, rings or other magnetic objects) … once the live view have turned up in your mobile device you can put it on ground for take-off. (This supports the point below…)

Before take-off ALWAYS... add in one very easy check to avoid a really scary event coming from accidentally launching from a magnetic disturbed place with following flyaway at height in an uncontrollable circular or straight flight path. After powering on your drone, connected to your RC/app & placed it in the take-off spot... but before lift-off, ALWAYS check that the drone icon on the map in your app is pointing equal in relation to other objects in the map as the drone does in reality... if not, abort launch attempt, POWER DOWN & move away, power up again and repeat.

Keep well under the wind spec where you fly ... and please note that it's not only at ground, it's at the altitude where you fly. The winds up to 400ft are very different then on ground. Use for instance the UAV Forecast app where you can get a feeling about the winds on higher altitudes, but please note that it's forecasts we are speaking of, a bit of common sense is good to apply to that... "better skip flying a windy day & fly more another".

Don't go & calibrate everything on a regularly basis... why fix things that are working, it's just a higher risk that you by mistake calibrate your compass in a magnetic disturbed area & the drone goes haywire 10 meters up in the air. Calibrate IMU + compass according to user manual, keep away from magnetic things like cars, metal tables & reinforced concrete at take-off & compass calibrations. If the app recommend a compass calibration first try another launch spot on a far distance from the first... if calibration still is recommended by the app do it, but only then.

Don't launch in a hurry... wait until you have sufficient number of locked satellites & wait for the lady voice in the app to announce that the Home point has been updated, check then on the map that it's in the correct spot. Learn how the RTH function works (it can work differently depending on scenario & drone model), don't set the altitude for that unnecessary high, look around were you are going to fly and set it to clear the highest obstacle, to high & the drone risks a blow away.

Seek up a large open place... a soccer field, free of obstacles & people. Test off every function one at a time until you fully understand how it works & the logic behind, confirm through the user manual if needed. Fly low, slow & near. And don’t try to fly indoors before you exactly know what makes these machines fly stable … you only risk your interior & to damage your drone in the process.

Take the claimed control distance from DJI with a pinch of salt... only doable out in the countryside completely free of WiFi disturbance & obstacles in between the Remote & Aircraft.

Don't rely 100% on the obstacle avoidance sensors... they are good & handy to have to perhaps save you when making a mistake, but they can't see everything, especially thin branches & wires so don't think they will allow your drone to just bounce away from everything all the time. Also note that they need plenty of light& a GPS lock to work properly, too dark or no GPS position & they will turn off.

The Pause button on the RC... It's a handy one, it will stop all automated modes immediately (if you have GPS coverage). Place your thumb on that when you initiate an automated flight mode & be prepare to stop it if too close to a tree for instance.

Don't use the RTH button as a "panic button" it's usually the weakest mode of them all... you will always have access to more power in the manual modes... if slow against a bit to strong head wind, go for Sport mode, drop altitude & manoeuvre the drone home manually.

Learn the rules & regulation ... keep the drone within Visual line of sight & respect max altitudes, if you can't avoid going out of visual keep it at least in line of sight (unobstructed line between Remote & Aircraft even though you don't see it) so you don’t lose the connection.
Hi slup,

Lot of thanks for your detail advice. I'll go through it later.

Can you recommend me a drone as start? The regulation here, Hong Kong;
If the weight of drone less than 7KG no license is required.

Thanks

Regards
 
Hi slup,

Lot of thanks for your detail advice. I'll go through it later.

Can you recommend me a drone as start? The regulation here, Hong Kong;
If the weight of drone less than 7KG no license is required.

Thanks

Regards
You will find most countries have stringent rules for any drone that weighs over 250grams. If you plan to travel with a drone to most places in the world a sub 250 gram drone will be a must.

A good place to start Master List of Drone Laws (Organized by State / Country) l UAV Coach
 
...Can you recommend me a drone as start? The regulation here, Hong Kong;
If the weight of drone less than 7KG no license is required.
Ha, ha ... 😄 yeah, will do that if you can tell me what camera or what car I should buy next.

No, seriously... it all depends on your needs, price level & what camera output quality you're fine with... but if the weight of max 7kg is your only concern, all DJI Mavic/Mini drones will tick your box.

But if you're planning to travel with it, I imagine that both portability & other countries regulations is important for you...
 
Not a drone, but think about what you really want to achieve rather than focusing on using a drone. A 360 degree camera such as the Insta360 X3 might be all you need. Mounting it on a 10 foot pole or make one longer and you can achieve some great shots, all without having the selfie pole visible.
You can search YouTube videos to learn a lot about videography with drones and 360 degree cameras.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for your advice. Please shed me some light on following questions.

1) How long should I invest to learn flying the drone, approximately.
2) Will a small foot ball ground provide me sufficient space for learning its flying.
3) What other points I need paying attention to on learning

Thanks

Regards
If you really want a number I would say at least 3-4 of flying in an open field before very cautiously moving to more difficult terrain with obstacles
 
Also remember that the drone doesn’t record sound, and makes a fair amount of noise making it difficult to record clean audio with anything else
 
Welcome to the forum from Lahore, Pakistan... No need to worry if you don't know how to fly. Recommended is to get a DJI Drone... in my case I have Mavic 2 Pro... If your pocket allows get Mavic 3 Pro... Both have sensors on all sides working as the eyes of drone and minimize the chances to crashing... Just remeber there are 3 types of modes, Tripod mode makes the drone slow and all sides sensors working, Normal Mode makes the drone a little faster and turns off side sensors, third mode is sports mode, in this mode all sensors are turned off and drone can gain speed upto 73 KMs per Hour. DJI drones are fully automated and safe. Real time calculation of distance and remaining battery and auto returns and land to the point it started... this auto return to home can also be triggered manually... Rest you can watch videos and tutorials on how to fly...
 
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