"There is no DJI ban." Let's call it a restriction.

[MS Coast]

Why do I suspect that if there was a different president in power you would be on the other side of your argument?

This has nothing to do with the President and I'm not posing an argument. I just object to spreading fear without cause. The suggestion that citizens should avoid expressing opinions and even avoid writing or calling their elected representatives out of fear of being punished is absurd, even with the current administrations drift away from honoring the Constitution.

 

[mavic3usa]

This has nothing to do with the President and I'm not posing an argument. I just object to spreading fear without cause. The suggestion that citizens should avoid expressing opinions and even avoid writing or calling their elected representatives out of fear of being punished is absurd, even with the current administrations drift away from honoring the Constitution.

Don't get it twisted.

Write your Congressperson to express your opinions. Call your elected representatives to redress your grievances.
Don't call Congress to lobby on behalf of a foreign country against a bill designed to limit access by groups designated to be enemies of your country.
Don't voluntarily put your name on a list to voicing opposition to a bill you don't have all the facts to; you never know what the truth might be.
Find other ways more effective to get your points across since the most familiar processes have been compromised. Learn to adapt.

10 years ago, I had a different opinion on the best way to go about this. But anyone with 2 brain cells can see times have changed and it has become necessary to evolve our methods during a time when the central government doesn't observe your rights, doesn't care about your freedoms, and won't hesitate to retaliate.

However, you can walk straight into the fire if you wish. It's only my suggestion; you do you.

 

[halifax]

Don't get it twisted.

Write your Congressperson to express your opinions. Call your elected representatives to redress your grievances.
Don't call Congress to lobby on behalf of a foreign country against a bill designed to limit access by groups designated to be enemies of your country.
Don't voluntarily put your name on a list to voicing opposition to a bill you don't have all the facts to; you never know what the truth might be.
Find other ways more effective to get your points across since the most familiar processes have been compromised. Learn to adapt.

10 years ago, I had a different opinion on the best way to go about this. But anyone with 2 brain cells can see times have changed and it has become necessary to evolve our methods during a time when the central government doesn't observe your rights, doesn't care about your freedoms, and won't hesitate to retaliate.

However, you can walk straight into the fire if you wish. It's only my suggestion; you do you.

This has nothing to do with the President and I'm not posing an argument. I just object to spreading fear without cause. The suggestion that citizens should avoid expressing opinions and even avoid writing or calling their elected representatives out of fear of being punished is absurd, even with the current administrations drift away from honoring the Constitution.

Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it.

 

[anotherlab]

Strictly my opinion follows. Earlier this year the government hinted at anyone who opposed these actions against DJI should be investigated for possibly collaborating with China. You can only imagine what this current administration might do to those who push back even in the slightest especially if you try to take legal action. Even writing to your congressperson, those letters could be obtain and added to your "file."

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”

Edward R. Murrow, March 9th, 1954

 

[Meta4]

Earlier this year the government hinted at anyone who opposed these actions against DJI should be investigated for possibly collaborating with China

I must have missed that but would be very interested to see the source material.
Can you point me towards it?

 

[mavic3usa]

I must have missed that but would be very interested to see the source material.
Can you point me towards it?

Not being from America, you probably won't understand the code but it's in here; this is how it is done. It's been awhile, I guess it was last year:

Letter to the DOJ Requesting Investigation into CCP-Funded Drone Group for Foreign Agent Registration Act Violations

Chairman John Moolenaar (R-MI) of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party and Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY) urged the U.S.

selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov

 

[Meta4]

Thanks for that.
It makes interesting reading and contains nothing but lies.

Not being from America, you probably won't understand the code but it's in here; this is how it is done. It's been awhile, I guess it was last year:

I speak and read English quite well and there's nothing in that letter to support what you are suggesting.

Earlier this year the government hinted at anyone who opposed these actions against DJI should be investigated for possibly collaborating with China. ...
Consequently, it's too risky to put your name on any legal document accusing the government of taking unfair action against a foreign country not only because the executive branch is out of control with retaliation but also because the judicial branch can't and won't help you. At a minimum, if you sign onto a class action lawsuit, you'll find you and your family member's name on a government watch list for potentially supporting, aiding, and proving material support to a foreign adversary and at worse acting as a foreign agent....and so on. Next time you try to board a plane, you might find yourself flagged on the No Fly List or when you attempt to buy certain items No Fly No Buy. Need a government loan, stopped at a traffic stop with any amount of currency in your car, day trip to Canada or Mexico....? And it spreads from there; no thank you.

You've read between lines that aren't even there and let your over-active imagination run away with you.

 

[Prospect62]

If you're worried, call Elise Stefanik and Rick Scott's offices and make a case for DJI.

As far as what happens to DJI drones after 12/23, I don't think the proverbial hammer will fall. I think this is more than anything a symbolic action that may end up limiting DJI a little on the open market strictly due to jitters, not actual actions.

And, if I'm wrong about that, and Paragraph 2 of Section 1709 of the 2024 NDAA is triggered - I would say DJI has an excellent case for constitutional right infringement as they will have been banned and thereby suffer catastrophic harm without being allowed any semblance of due process. This issue will end up mired in the courts.

 

[MS Coast]

Not being from America, you probably won't understand the code but it's in here; this is how it is done. It's been awhile, I guess it was last year:

Letter to the DOJ Requesting Investigation into CCP-Funded Drone Group for Foreign Agent Registration Act Violations

Chairman John Moolenaar (R-MI) of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party and Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY) urged the U.S.

selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov

Well, I am from the USA and I see no code or even a hint in that article and letter that causes me to be afraid. And it's absurd and condescending to say that anyone from another country is incapable of reading and understanding it.

The letter you fear is from a "Red Scare" group (Select Committee on the CCP) railing against DJI, China, and the Chinese government. If they were seriously interested in possible security issues, they would support the audit of DJI and their products. Instead, they tout a letter from Representative John Moolenaar and Representative Elise Stefanik asking for a DOJ investigation of the Drone Advocacy Alliance.

Earlier this year the government hinted at anyone who opposed these actions against DJI should be investigated for possibly collaborating with China.

No, not anyone, but one specific group. That was not a threat to you or me or American citizens in general.

There is nothing in the reference you provided that suggests that Americans should be cowed into remaining silent on any issue or have any fear of anything on your imagined list of government punishments.

 

[anotherlab]

If you're worried, call Elise Stefanik and Rick Scott's offices and make a case for DJI.

Stefanik doesn't listen to or meet with her own constituents. That would 5 minutes of your life you would never get back.

 

[CraigVMN]

Sad to say, this is not a good time for drone enthusiasts! Just as crime fighters often say “see something, say something,” well, let’s use that analogy to the drone restrictions. We are seeing our Senators and Representatives (either taking action or refusing to), so everyone who cares about drones must “say something!” Speak our minds to our congressional delegations, to the FCC, to the media. Be loud, be respectful, be peaceful, be focused, but keep saying something! As we have seen in past public outcries against unpopular decisions, it usually takes millions of bodies or focused voices to bring about change. I am not so naïve as to expect another “Million Man March” at the footsteps of the Capitol, but at least let them hear our voices! Again and again and again!

Wrote to my senators today

 

[Prospect62]

Stefanik doesn't listen to or meet with her own constituents. That would 5 minutes of your life you would never get back.

I would never expect to actually call up a Representative's office and speak to that Representative. This is not unique to Elise Stefanik. You'll be talking to an aide just like when you email or call any Federal government official. You can still speak your mind.