This has nothing to do with the President and I'm not posing an argument. I just object to spreading fear without cause. The suggestion that citizens should avoid expressing opinions and even avoid writing or calling their elected representatives out of fear of being punished is absurd, even with the current administrations drift away from honoring the Constitution.
"There is no DJI ban." Let's call it a restriction.
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Don't get it twisted.
Write your Congressperson to express your opinions. Call your elected representatives to redress your grievances.
Don't call Congress to lobby on behalf of a foreign country against a bill designed to limit access by groups designated to be enemies of your country.
Don't voluntarily put your name on a list to voicing opposition to a bill you don't have all the facts to; you never know what the truth might be.
Find other ways more effective to get your points across since the most familiar processes have been compromised. Learn to adapt.
10 years ago, I had a different opinion on the best way to go about this. But anyone with 2 brain cells can see times have changed and it has become necessary to evolve our methods during a time when the central government doesn't observe your rights, doesn't care about your freedoms, and won't hesitate to retaliate.
However, you can walk straight into the fire if you wish. It's only my suggestion; you do you.
halifax
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anotherlab
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“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”
Edward R. Murrow, March 9th, 1954
I must have missed that but would be very interested to see the source material.
Can you point me towards it?
Not being from America, you probably won't understand the code but it's in here; this is how it is done. It's been awhile, I guess it was last year:
Letter to the DOJ Requesting Investigation into CCP-Funded Drone Group for Foreign Agent Registration Act Violations
Chairman John Moolenaar (R-MI) of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party and Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY) urged the U.S.
selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov
Thanks for that.
It makes interesting reading and contains nothing but lies.
You've read between lines that aren't even there and let your over-active imagination run away with you.
It makes interesting reading and contains nothing but lies.
I speak and read English quite well and there's nothing in that letter to support what you are suggesting.
Earlier this year the government hinted at anyone who opposed these actions against DJI should be investigated for possibly collaborating with China. ...
Consequently, it's too risky to put your name on any legal document accusing the government of taking unfair action against a foreign country not only because the executive branch is out of control with retaliation but also because the judicial branch can't and won't help you. At a minimum, if you sign onto a class action lawsuit, you'll find you and your family member's name on a government watch list for potentially supporting, aiding, and proving material support to a foreign adversary and at worse acting as a foreign agent....and so on. Next time you try to board a plane, you might find yourself flagged on the No Fly List or when you attempt to buy certain items No Fly No Buy. Need a government loan, stopped at a traffic stop with any amount of currency in your car, day trip to Canada or Mexico....? And it spreads from there; no thank you.
You've read between lines that aren't even there and let your over-active imagination run away with you.
Prospect62
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If you're worried, call Elise Stefanik and Rick Scott's offices and make a case for DJI.
As far as what happens to DJI drones after 12/23, I don't think the proverbial hammer will fall. I think this is more than anything a symbolic action that may end up limiting DJI a little on the open market strictly due to jitters, not actual actions.
And, if I'm wrong about that, and Paragraph 2 of Section 1709 of the 2024 NDAA is triggered - I would say DJI has an excellent case for constitutional right infringement as they will have been banned and thereby suffer catastrophic harm without being allowed any semblance of due process. This issue will end up mired in the courts.
As far as what happens to DJI drones after 12/23, I don't think the proverbial hammer will fall. I think this is more than anything a symbolic action that may end up limiting DJI a little on the open market strictly due to jitters, not actual actions.
And, if I'm wrong about that, and Paragraph 2 of Section 1709 of the 2024 NDAA is triggered - I would say DJI has an excellent case for constitutional right infringement as they will have been banned and thereby suffer catastrophic harm without being allowed any semblance of due process. This issue will end up mired in the courts.
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Well, I am from the USA and I see no code or even a hint in that article and letter that causes me to be afraid. And it's absurd and condescending to say that anyone from another country is incapable of reading and understanding it.Not being from America, you probably won't understand the code but it's in here; this is how it is done. It's been awhile, I guess it was last year:
Letter to the DOJ Requesting Investigation into CCP-Funded Drone Group for Foreign Agent Registration Act Violations
Chairman John Moolenaar (R-MI) of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party and Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY) urged the U.S.
The letter you fear is from a "Red Scare" group (Select Committee on the CCP) railing against DJI, China, and the Chinese government. If they were seriously interested in possible security issues, they would support the audit of DJI and their products. Instead, they tout a letter from Representative John Moolenaar and Representative Elise Stefanik asking for a DOJ investigation of the Drone Advocacy Alliance.
No, not anyone, but one specific group. That was not a threat to you or me or American citizens in general.
There is nothing in the reference you provided that suggests that Americans should be cowed into remaining silent on any issue or have any fear of anything on your imagined list of government punishments.
anotherlab
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Stefanik doesn't listen to or meet with her own constituents. That would 5 minutes of your life you would never get back.
Prospect62
Member
I would never expect to actually call up a Representative's office and speak to that Representative. This is not unique to Elise Stefanik. You'll be talking to an aide just like when you email or call any Federal government official. You can still speak your mind.
halifax
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Article and link to Bondi Memo:
FBI Making List of American “Extremists,” Leaked Memo Reveals
Are you on Trump's naughty list?
www.kenklippenstein.com
Bondi Memo On Countering Domestic Terrorism And Organized Political Violence
Attorney General Pam Bondi is ordering the FBI to “compile a list of groups or entities engaging in acts that may constitute domestic terrorism,” according to a Justice Department memo published here exclusively.
The target is those expressing “opposition to law and immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders; adherence to radical gender ideology,” as well as “anti-Americanism,” “anti-capitalism,” and “anti-Christianity.”
That language echoes the so-called indicators of terrorism identified by President Trump’s directive National Security Presidential Memorandum-7, or NSPM-7, which the memo says it’s intended to implement. Where NSPM-7 was a declaration of war on just about anyone who isn’t MAGA, this is the war plan for how the government will wage it on a tactical level.
In addition to compiling a list of undesirables, Bondi directs the FBI to enhance the capabilities (and publicity) of its tipline in order to more aggressively solicit tips from the American public on, well, other Americans. To that end, Bondi also directs the FBI to establish “a cash reward system” for information leading to identification and arrest of leadership figures within these purported domestic terrorist organizations. (The memo later instructs the FBI to “establish cooperators to provide information and eventually testify against other members” of the groups.)
The payouts don’t end there. Justice Department grants are now to prioritize funding to programs for state and local law enforcement to go after domestic terrorism.
In a section titled “Defining the domestic terrorism threat,” the memo cites “extreme viewpoints on immigration, radical gender ideology, and anti-American sentiment” — indicators that federal law enforcement are instructed to refer to FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs). Those JTTFs are then instructed to “use all available investigative tools” in order to “map the full network of culpable actors involved” in both “inside and outside the United States.”
Thank you. We know there's a list.....there are lists. I just wish people would wake up and admit there is a list and at least they don't care if they're on the list; that's fine. I find I'm more effective when I don't blindly walk into a trap.Article and link to Bondi Memo:
FBI Making List of American “Extremists,” Leaked Memo Reveals
Are you on Trump's naughty list?
Bondi Memo On Countering Domestic Terrorism And Organized Political Violence
Attorney General Pam Bondi is ordering the FBI to “compile a list of groups or entities engaging in acts that may constitute domestic terrorism,” according to a Justice Department memo published here exclusively.
The target is those expressing “opposition to law and immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders; adherence to radical gender ideology,” as well as “anti-Americanism,” “anti-capitalism,” and “anti-Christianity.”
That language echoes the so-called indicators of terrorism identified by President Trump’s directive National Security Presidential Memorandum-7, or NSPM-7, which the memo says it’s intended to implement. Where NSPM-7 was a declaration of war on just about anyone who isn’t MAGA, this is the war plan for how the government will wage it on a tactical level.
In addition to compiling a list of undesirables, Bondi directs the FBI to enhance the capabilities (and publicity) of its tipline in order to more aggressively solicit tips from the American public on, well, other Americans. To that end, Bondi also directs the FBI to establish “a cash reward system” for information leading to identification and arrest of leadership figures within these purported domestic terrorist organizations. (The memo later instructs the FBI to “establish cooperators to provide information and eventually testify against other members” of the groups.)
The payouts don’t end there. Justice Department grants are now to prioritize funding to programs for state and local law enforcement to go after domestic terrorism.
In a section titled “Defining the domestic terrorism threat,” the memo cites “extreme viewpoints on immigration, radical gender ideology, and anti-American sentiment” — indicators that federal law enforcement are instructed to refer to FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs). Those JTTFs are then instructed to “use all available investigative tools” in order to “map the full network of culpable actors involved” in both “inside and outside the United States.”
If DJI is put on the covered list, the FCC has the power to do nasty things to DJI products in the US. The FCC Chairman, Brandon Carr, hates DJI Drones and has referred to them as “Huawei on Wings”. And we all know how things worked out for Huawei. Although we do not know what will happen after Dec 23rd, I would not underestimate the current FCC.
China based companies (all foreign based companies) have no Constitutional rights in the US. DJI has very limited recourse if the US Government decides to ban them.
anotherlab
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She has avoided town halls for the last six years. She doesn't care about representing her constituents.
^^Unfortunately since no one knows exactly what bad things will happen after Dec 23, I think the larger community is satisfied to think that DJI gets added to the covered list and from that day forward, life goes on for everyone else as usual. No bans, no stop sales, no grounding, no....nothing except no new FCC. Even some believe you don't need FCC to fly. They cite examples like Huawei and claim business as usual for Huawei phones (not) and everything you bring up as a "possibility" is fiercely refuted by saying "hey, nobody really wants to do that...." or "hey, no one has that kind of power."
As a result, we generally do nothing but wait to see what our 2025 fate is and sadly that likely means we'll accept whatever bad things come our way in 2025. "It could have been worse" is going to be the excuse for not pushing back and then we wait....for the other shoe to drop in 2026 or 2027. Ultimately I think the end goal is confiscation or some sort of ban on recreational flying but I realize I'm always going to get pushback on that opinion....until the day it happens (that's usually how it happens).
The best things I've seen is the community making meaningful preparations in advance although I would like to see more discussion about the strategy since it's going to be super difficult to come off the covered list once you get on it. I guess that train has already left the barn and as mentioned, if you don't think the government will kick you when you are down....by this I mean the insane justifications we are about to hear about coming up. It's like an offender on probation....you can't win. DJI on the covered list is the holy grail, without it nothing works for them.
If E.S. becomes governor, you can expect NYC drone rules to become NY State drone rules.
As a result, we generally do nothing but wait to see what our 2025 fate is and sadly that likely means we'll accept whatever bad things come our way in 2025. "It could have been worse" is going to be the excuse for not pushing back and then we wait....for the other shoe to drop in 2026 or 2027. Ultimately I think the end goal is confiscation or some sort of ban on recreational flying but I realize I'm always going to get pushback on that opinion....until the day it happens (that's usually how it happens).
The best things I've seen is the community making meaningful preparations in advance although I would like to see more discussion about the strategy since it's going to be super difficult to come off the covered list once you get on it. I guess that train has already left the barn and as mentioned, if you don't think the government will kick you when you are down....by this I mean the insane justifications we are about to hear about coming up. It's like an offender on probation....you can't win. DJI on the covered list is the holy grail, without it nothing works for them.
If E.S. becomes governor, you can expect NYC drone rules to become NY State drone rules.
anotherlab
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NYC is pretty much its own entity for so many things. It has so many reasons for drone restrictions that wouldn't apply anywhere else.
I don't expect Stefanik to beat Hochul in November. If Stefanik runs on her pro-Trump record, she'll be narrowly beaten by Hochul. If she tries to distance herself from Trump, he'll attack her, and she'll lose the republican and independent voters, and Hochul will win with a larger margin.
So much can change in 2026, that's my guess for how it will play out now.
You've been on about this silly idea for years now and it's still silly and illogically paranoid.
No-one has given any indication of any intention to confiscate drones.
If that's how it usually happens, perhaps you can remind us of a few times it actually happened?
halifax
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One does not have to be several bong hits into the evening to realize that our airspace, 0 to 400' AGL, is about to become extraordinarily valuable to commercial interests. Extraordinarily valuable. Amazon, Walmart, UPS, FedEx, and a lot more entities are all working on drone-based deliveries in our airspace. Their best way to deal with us is to not deal with us, just ban us or relegate us to AMA flying club fields/FRIAs.
One need only look to amateur radio for precedent. Just in the last 20 years, we've lost the entire 3.5GHz band and the lower part of 220MHz band to commercial interests; we're now secondary users to commercials interests in the 902MHz band, and they are trying right now to come after the 430MHz band (our sat bands including our ISS live and repeater frequencies) for commercial sat interests. I have two 3.5GHz transverters worth over $1000 each that are now just knick-knacks and we were not compensated for our losses. The latter is illegal under the 5th Amendment's Takings Clause but the FCC doesn't care about that and they won't when they turn our drones into knick-knacks.
One need only look to amateur radio for precedent. Just in the last 20 years, we've lost the entire 3.5GHz band and the lower part of 220MHz band to commercial interests; we're now secondary users to commercials interests in the 902MHz band, and they are trying right now to come after the 430MHz band (our sat bands including our ISS live and repeater frequencies) for commercial sat interests. I have two 3.5GHz transverters worth over $1000 each that are now just knick-knacks and we were not compensated for our losses. The latter is illegal under the 5th Amendment's Takings Clause but the FCC doesn't care about that and they won't when they turn our drones into knick-knacks.
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