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What's the verdict on photos with the Air 3S, and which setting is best to use? Is 12MP truly better than using the 50MP photo size?

I'm really tempted to buy one, but some of the comments about the 50MP quality have bothered me.

Thanks
 
What's the verdict on photos with the Air 3S, and which setting is best to use? Is 12MP truly better than using the 50MP photo size?

I'm really tempted to buy one, but some of the comments about the 50MP quality have bothered me.

Thanks
It depends. You'll have to decide for yourself in each of your use cases.
 
What's the verdict on photos with the Air 3S, and which setting is best to use? Is 12MP truly better than using the 50MP photo size?
Like Gadgetguy says, it depends. There is no definite answer. Sometimes 50MP might give an image that appears to be slightly sharper and more detailed - but many times the 50MP mode will introduce colour errors and artefacts. Problem is you don't know beforehand, it seems like a guessing game.
If I had an Air 3s I would shoot in 12MP, and if I needed a larger file size for printing huge, I would upscale the photo with a good software like Topaz or similar.
 
What's the verdict on photos with the Air 3S, and which setting is best to use? Is 12MP truly better than using the 50MP photo size?

I'm really tempted to buy one, but some of the comments about the 50MP quality have bothered me.

Thanks
I was all set to get this, but mainly shoot Raw stills, so the real 20MP on my Air 2S takes some beating, and the lens flare is less annoying (seems to produce a small bright spot on the Air 3S into the sun). I'm annoyed by the shift to quad Bayer sensors, mainly driven by fake MP numbers for marketing. I guess sensor availability is driven by the high-end phone market. 12.5MP sometimes isn't enough, and the 50MP while sharp lacks some colour detail through it being quad Bayer. It also seems to be prone to moire. Some sample photos and videos show it quite bad looking down on tiled roofs. Not sure if this is better at 12MP as you'd hope. Real 20-25MP is about right. The choice between real 12MP and QB 50MP is annoying, too small versus too large! I'm holding off for the moment to see what the Mavic 4 brings.
 
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I was all set to get this, but mainly shoot Raw stills, so the real 20MP on my Air 2S takes some beating, and the lens flare is less annoying (seems to produce a small bright spot on the Air 3S into the sun). I'm annoyed by the shift to quad Bayer sensors, mainly driven by fake MP numbers for marketing. I guess sensor availability is driven by the high-end phone market. 12.5MP sometimes isn't enough, and the 50MP while sharp lacks some colour detail through it being quad Bayer. It also seems to be prone to moire. Some sample photos and videos show it quite bad looking down on tiled roofs. Not sure if this is better at 12MP as you'd hope. Real 20-25MP is about right. The choice between real 12MP and QB 50MP is annoying, too small versus too large! I'm holding off for the moment to see what the Mavic 4 brings.
I have Air 3 and apart from night sensors cannot see a huge benefit so too waiting to see what the Mavic 4 offers
When is it expected ?
 
I have Air 3 and apart from night sensors cannot see a huge benefit so too waiting to see what the Mavic 4 offers
When is it expected ?
Yes, upgrade from the Air 3 is a bit of a luxury, as that's still a great drone, but also has 12/48MP quad Bayer limitation on both cameras. The rumour mill started a while back on the Mavic 4. @JasperEllens and @Quadro_News on X seem to be the main 'leakers' this time around. No definite dates yet, but could be early next year. DJI seem to be blasting out the releases before the US market potentially gets a lot harder with protectionist legislation in the guise of security concerns.
 
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I guess It's one way to protect pricing on the higher drone models, by putting gimmicks on the more affordable ones.
 
In theory, a 12MP binned then demosaiced image should be possible post with a 50MP raw file, with the right software. If (and that's a big if) the raw output at 50 is truly unaltered, raw, single-color (depending on what's over the pixel with the QB filter) pixel brightness values, might it be possible to make the 12/50 choice afterward shooting everything in 50MP raw?

Also facilitates using more advanced demosaicing algorithms and producing a superior result.
 
I've been shooting a lot of photos with it the last couple of weeks.
The 48/50MP mode is not worth it for me. It introduces a lot of weird color artifacts and makes shooting an extremely slow experience. When shooting 5 shot AEB in 48/50MP mode you need to wait SO long before you can take the next shots.
I try to shoot as much panoramas as possible or upscale with software if needed.
 
I had air3s for few weeks but due to weather and work was not able to test it much.

however I went out for an hour during lunch time to visit nearby spot for limited testing.
took my air2s with me as well but had not got a chance to do extensive testing, just few shots to compare.

Basically its quite disappointing experience tbh, 50 mp is almost no go due to artifacts and color noise it introduces in the shadows (midday shot with a bit of post poressing adjustents looks like taken with thousands of iso in the dark -rainbow of dots). This is definitely (at least partially) colour noise as able to (almost - see pictures) fix with Topaz.
12 MP renders shadows ok, however these odd artifacts in fine detail in high contrast areas are even more pronounced.
detail of 12 MP as expected slightly worse then my Air2s 20 mp and ofc lower pixel count if you care about size for printing or any other reason. Would be acceptable tho if it wasn’t for the artifacts.
Hope this is software issue that Dji can and will fix in future updates.
there are many devices out there using QB sensors with better results so hopefully this is the pipeline processing issue rather than hardware limitations (unless Dji made some hardware/processing power shortcuts there who knows)

Introducing this QB sensor seem to be half marketing gimmick (50 MP anyone?) and half caring mostly for videos as on paper in 4k/12mp as the 3.2 micron pixel size should produce less noise and then on top of that 1,7 aperture to allow more light - not a massive video guy so really can't comment on that but from what I see in various reports the results are mixed at best.
Saying all that still a keeper for me, for time being this is the only Dji drone with FreePanorama. This combined with 70mm lens still produces amazing details when you shoot pano equivalent of 24mm (or more). There might some artifacts here and there but they seems to be less present in 70 mm shots and affecting only very fine details in tricky parts.
I understand you can shoot these panos with air3 or Mavic3 manually and stitch in post but this is not the same, Free panorama is a game changer (its like merge to HDR or Photomerge was removed from Photoshop and some one argued not big deal you can do it manually in layers .... yeah doable… )
First of all I am impressed by the jpg straight from camera, if you take the shots composition right its quite good product right off the shelf. Maybe a gentle touch and "crop" in post. but the detail, noise, stitching, shadows/highlights, colour and size (shot more or less comparable to 24mm would around 30 mp from jpg) are really good stuff even without post. This also saving a lot of time while in the air which is important you set first and last frame location and it takes a minute or so for 9-12 frames (50% of which is processing the jpg lol)
Now if you opt for saving DNGs there they are raw material should you need more from your shots sitting nicely numbered in own folders.
A bit of work in post but then you have 130+ mp utra detailed stuff comparable with "full frame" from flying camera.
There are some challenges shooting panos tho, quickly changing light conditions or dynamic scenes, so prolly most suitable for land(air)scapes in stable weather. You need keep an eye on AE and WB as well I think.
But air3s made this for time being easiest to achieve of all available drones and its huge difference.

now back to examples, these are heavy crops

70mm vertical artifacts (like vegatation shoots through water):

70 mm arifacts.jpg

same artifacts 24mm 12MP:
24mm  12mp artifacts.jpg

now slightly bigger crop from 50MP to show the combined artifact with colour noise - ugly brown water also shadows in the vegetation and grass. (lifted shadows a bit to see whats hiding in the there, seems like rainbows :)):

24 mm 50MB artifacts-noise.jpg

now the 24 mm 12MP same scene shadows are more than ok, not much noise but these odd vertical artifacts on the some parts of the water:

24 mm 12MB artifacts.jpg

on the other hand the freepano shot resized from 130 to 6MP:
Uphill_Panorama 3k.jpg

and finally to show the details a crop/zoom into red carvan area details are simply amazing:
Uphill_Panorama- zoom1-DNG.jpg



So.... very mixed filling about the drone and no simple answer. Did not notice any strong artefacting in these shots apart of some areas of water, so maybe these are specific conditions its not coping with ?)
Amazing Pano (yet some less pronounced but still some artefacts at the same parts of water - this must be a specific pattern/contrast and size causing it as can't see any obvious in other busy areas like vegation or further planes in the town).

Anyway almost unusable 50 mp modes, quite usable 24mm in 12MP (slightly worse than air2s imo- with some potential artifacts), even better 70 mm in 12 mp and stunning panos .....
 
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I've returned 2 copies of the Air 3S and went for a refund. The reason is that both 24mm lenses were misalligned/decentered.
Triggus, I'm clearly seeing in your 50MP example that your 24mm lens also isn't great. The top right corner is much sharper/more detailed than the top left corner. That's not normal. Some people might accept it, but I don't.
Both 70mm where fine on my drones.

I agree about the artifacts (I also have a thread about some other artifacts in the files) and free panorama being amazing.

Free panorama is what I will miss most about the Air 3S (together with things like the battery life).
It's such a game changer for shooting panoramas. Not only because it automatically takes all the photos, but also puts them in their own folder, with filenames that make it so easy to see which shots belong together. This doesn't sound special, but it makes the stitching workflow much easier.
The resulting resolution you get is fantastic.
The scene must be fairly static though + there can't be much wind. My Air 3S often stopped shooting a free panorama with the message that it moved.
 
Hey I see that you're in Belgium.

Do they have the Air 3S in the EU stores there or did you have to order from DJI and it shipped from China?

Do they come with C1 labels to operate in the A1 category in the EU?
 
Hey I see that you're in Belgium.

Do they have the Air 3S in the EU stores there or did you have to order from DJI and it shipped from China?

Do they come with C1 labels to operate in the A1 category in the EU?

I got it locally on the day it was announced. A lot of stores have it in stock here.
It has the labels on the bottom of the drone.
 
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I've returned 2 copies of the Air 3S and went for a refund. The reason is that both 24mm lenses were misalligned/decentered.
Triggus, I'm clearly seeing in your 50MP example that your 24mm lens also isn't great. The top right corner is much sharper/more detailed than the top left corner. That's not normal. Some people might accept it, but I don't.
Both 70mm where fine on my drones.

I agree about the artifacts (I also have a thread about some other artifacts in the files) and free panorama being amazing.

Free panorama is what I will miss most about the Air 3S (together with things like the battery life).
It's such a game changer for shooting panoramas. Not only because it automatically takes all the photos, but also puts them in their own folder, with filenames that make it so easy to see which shots belong together. This doesn't sound special, but it makes the stitching workflow much easier.
The resulting resolution you get is fantastic.
The scene must be fairly static though + there can't be much wind. My Air 3S often stopped shooting a free panorama with the message that it moved.
Hi J-B, the 50MP example is a crop from the larger so in this case it shows difference between left and center rather left then right, this was taken from this (this has the ugly color noice across the boards btw) - this is straight from the camera downsized to "4k" so can be posted :

4k.JPG
 

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