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Buying a stolen car could not be seized by the law? Just asking.....
It can and will be seized, at least here in the US. If an insurance claim was made against it, you might be able to negotiate with the insurance company but the person from whom it was stole would have first claim.
I am all for the authorities to seize stolen equipment when it is reported and there is title to establish ownership.

Imagine if the car was like a DJI drone, no title but only a login (car keys) to prove you own it, and no police report needed, just a phone call to the dealership to say your car was stolen and the car is marked. Under those circumstances, do you still feel the "stolen car" should be seized and given back to the person who has a set of keys?

Ha, here's it comes, I can feel it.....

..... few replies I got were ..... or your concerns are just some weird corner case.
 
I am all for the authorities to seize stolen equipment when it is reported and there is title to establish ownership.

Imagine if the car was like a DJI drone, no title but only a login (car keys) to prove you own it, and no police report needed, just a phone call to the dealership to say your car was stolen and the car is marked. Under those circumstances, do you still feel the "stolen car" should be seized and given back to the person who has a set of keys?

Ha, here's it comes, I can feel it.....
Well, in the old west, horses didn't have titles or even keys for that matter and people seemed to 'deal' with the problem. Having been the victim of a car thief, I would have liked the old west method, as the "LAW" let him off after he pleaded guilty to other lesser charges.
 
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Well, in the old west, horses didn't have titles or even keys for that matter and people seemed to 'deal' with the problem. Having been the victim of a car thief, I would have liked the old west method, as the "LAW" let him off after he pleaded guilty to other lesser charges.
I wish we could rely on the same but you can only blame the government for co-opting that process so badly to the extent it was forced to be abandoned. We are where we are today because the judicial system is everything but just and the no one can be trusted to administer it fairly and properly. If we allowed our problems today to be "dealt" with, we wouldn't have a nation. But I don't think the answer is DJI's zero-tolerance policy. I think we were able to live with their previous strict policy on handling drone binding, what happened? To me the answer comes down to one thing: cost.
 
DJI simply needs to get out of the software business! BUT the ease of use and the instant features they provide is the reason DJI cornered the consumer Drone market.
If DJI would use open firmware and allow such things as betaflight customization and the ability to let other controllers run their Occusync system ( easy enough with a small Occusync transmitter box that fits on the back of your fav controller) and If they would allow other companies to make software, you would not have to "log-in" to anything... just turn on the Drone and controller.....Of course their goes the Anti-theft protection that controlling their software and members provides!
 
I view DJI not unlike Apple.....why open up your ecosystem to competitors when you have market dominance? I personally avoid Apple as I prefer building my own PCs and modifying them with hardware and Windows 11 O/S hacks and tweaks. Nothing against Apple, that's just me.....as for DJI, they have a fairly closed ecosystem but l am willing to live with that due to the performance of their drones and software.

Is the unbinding specific an irritant? To some, yes but not to me.....I only buy from reputable sources so not an issue with me.
 
I have a MAC simply because when I was working in Graphics it was pretty much required. I dont use it much anymore and its pretty much a music player lol I love my PC and use it most of the time now....... I love my games!
 
Is the unbinding specific an irritant? To some, yes but not to me.....I only buy from reputable sources so not an issue with me.
I appreciate the reply Eric but I gotta ask, do you believe "reputable sources" are not affected by this? Do you believe buy narrowing your purchase habits to "reputable sources" eliminates your risk of getting a drone that is bound? Do you believe this is what's best for the drone community to steer everyone towards "reputable sources" in order not to be the victim of a trap set by DJI?

I remember when the entire electronics industry was ran by strict adherence to authorized dealers and approved resellers only. Any purchases outside those [manufacturer controlled] sources and you were SOL. The system was stale with high prices, no features, and no innovation. Is that what we want to go back to?

I remember when you couldn't buy a mobile phone from anywhere but "Tom's 5th Electronics" and "Radio Shack" and that's it. They were the only ones allowed to sell you a mobile phone, activate it, and charge you all kinds of ridiculous fees and put you on their plans. You couldn't even buy a phone from out of town. The phones were permanently locked to the carrier and if you wanted to switch, you had to throw the phone in the drawer because they wouldn't even activate it for anyone else even with that same carrier. Pressure (and competition) forced them to change and here we are. No such pressure will ever come like that to DJI, we are at their mercy. Imagine the number of new drones they were able to sell by refusing to release drones that were obviously neither stolen nor lost nor under insurance. Remember, that was the excuse from the carriers, this mobile phone is under contract [plan] or the buyer only paid $25 for the phone so we won't release it and there's no "option" to pay the difference. It was awful.

You and I and the rest of the forum members are the few knowledgable and honest about these drones but I don't wear the blinders, I see the pain and agony the victims (on Reddit) go through on a weekly basis and the more NEW people that get into the drone community with no new drones available but only used drones that could be locked, the bigger this sh*tstorm is going to get.

I'll answer the question: YES, if you steal both the drone and the controller and you power them up and connect them, you can unbind them with a press of the button as long as you are connected to the internet and you do it before the victim can notify DJI which means steal your drones and controller together at midnight. No password is required. Anyone reading this, tell me you believe it is ok to unbind a drone without first having to input the password associated with that account, tell me think this is an acceptable process and I'll leave it. Name one other website or any other process that has a password but doesn't require you to use it to manipulate the account functions. Logging off without a password is fine but unbinding is NOT.
 
Thanks for your perspective MAVIC3USA.....not sure what you mean by "and the more NEW people that get into the drone community with no new drones available".....if you are referring to the situation in the US due to the tariffs and possible banning of DJI products, I sympathize with the people who would like to buy from authorized sources. I have been around a long time and am wary of resellers and "deals" that could bite me in the butt....chalk it up to my long and experienced past in finance including fraud investigations.

If I were to pass tomorrow, my DJI account and password are available to my executor so that my DJI gear can either be used by my heirs or sold. I probably should mention I tend towards being somewhat OCD.
 
Caveat emptor sums up the resurrection of this dead thread by the author of post #91, who is now ranting against DJI because he wasn't willing to buy a new drone for his grandson. That's his fault. Not DJI's.

He never dealt with DJI, tried to save money buying a used DJI drone on eBay, and got burned. How is this DJI's fault, rather than his own lack of due diligence in buying used? Then, he wants to play the "pity card" because his poor grandson can't use the brand new goggles and brand new motion controller purchased by his daughter because grandpa won't replace the used brick he gifted to his grandson for his birthday. LOL! Come on, Grandpa. Buy your grandson a new drone, or at least replace the bricked used one with one that your grandson can use with his new goggles and new motion controller.
 
Thanks for your perspective MAVIC3USA.....not sure what you mean by "and the more NEW people that get into the drone community with no new drones available".....if you are referring to the situation in the US due to the tariffs and possible banning of DJI products, I sympathize with the people who would like to buy from authorized sources. I have been around a long time and am wary of resellers and "deals" that could bite me in the butt....chalk it up to my long and experienced past in finance including fraud investigations.

If I were to pass tomorrow, my DJI account and password are available to my executor so that my DJI gear can either be used by my heirs or sold. I probably should mention I tend towards being somewhat OCD.
That's a good point, I'll be sure to leave my password instead of the official account authorization like you do with Google or Apple or anyone else who knows how to secure the most important information of your life. Gosh, DJI is acting like they are protecting Ft Knox. If you have a huge drone collection or you have expensive drones or a commercial operation, you do what it takes. OTOH, the remaining 90% or 9 million pilots with just one drone aren't going to do this.

What's really going to be sad is if DJI does in fact change this or stop doing it and we're left with a million orphans that could be problem childs but it's basically impossible to distinguish years from now. It's not a good strategy in the long run.

BTW, I failed to mentioned....it might not be DJI fault completely, maybe they know something we don't know. Perhaps unbinding a drone remotely is a flawed process that inadvertently opens up a security loophole in the software that could lead to exposing the previous owners details. As a result, DJI ultimately decided it was too risky. Obviously they're not going to tell everybody about it but I can see where they could get together and decide better to lock out everybody then put us on the hook.

Anyway, when I mean NEWbie people to the community, you have a lot of first time drone flyers who want to get into drones and traditionally you buy your first drone from Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Walmart....the drone shop, the US drone page. Not usually the scam sights like eBay and FB. Not usually ordering a drone from China, Korea, or Japan. Failure to fully understand the traps usually don't befall the new drone owner who choses the American path and those paths are traditional for a reason. Unfortunately there's really nowhere else to buy a drone these days so it has become very risky for newbie because the knowledge is not easily gained on how to protect yourself. Imagine if all the car dealership disappeared and so did the sellers like CarMax and the only place left to buy a car was used cars only and it was eBay and a parking lot downtown. Would you not be surprised how many people, regardless of the unlimited resources that were available to them, would be scammed with blown engines, fake VINS, rolled back odometers, bald tires, and stolen vehicles? It's well known that you do the deep dive on cars or take the risks but honestly, you shouldn't have to take a drone to a drone specialist to get it checked out before you buy it. An inexpensive drone is not an expensive car so the expectations can never be the same.

Don't forget, DJI drone sales in America is not a thing ever since they bailed, there is no official DJI page to support sales and nobody knows what a good deal looks like or who offers a good deal or who's legit. The market is semi-abandoned of any real leadership and there's no semblance of a larger secure well-run drone community, it's wide open which is why the scammers have surfaced and why every day there are people asking if this or that is a good deal. Two years ago, you didn't have to ask like that you just buy on Amazon and let them protect you or you hold your nose and buy at Best Buy because you trust them.

Now the criminals are here for a reason and they are starting to adapt and blend in, it's going to get worse before it gets better as long as DJI remains absent. How many people right here in this forum are still trying to get comfortable with eBay and with tariffs on top of that....it's not easy; there are enemies all around us on all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if people just passed and wait to buy another day. If international scammers emerged from Asia on eBay in great numbers, we're screwed.
 
That's a good point, I'll be sure to leave my password instead of the official account authorization like you do with Google or Apple or anyone else who knows how to secure the most important information of your life. Gosh, DJI is acting like they are protecting Ft Knox. If you have a huge drone collection or you have expensive drones or a commercial operation, you do what it takes. OTOH, the remaining 90% or 9 million pilots with just one drone aren't going to do this.

What's really going to be sad is if DJI does in fact change this or stop doing it and we're left with a million orphans that could be problem childs but it's basically impossible to distinguish years from now. It's not a good strategy in the long run.

BTW, I failed to mentioned....it might not be DJI fault completely, maybe they know something we don't know. Perhaps unbinding a drone remotely is a flawed process that inadvertently opens up a security loophole in the software that could lead to exposing the previous owners details. As a result, DJI ultimately decided it was too risky. Obviously they're not going to tell everybody about it but I can see where they could get together and decide better to lock out everybody then put us on the hook.

Anyway, when I mean NEWbie people to the community, you have a lot of first time drone flyers who want to get into drones and traditionally you buy your first drone from Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Walmart....the drone shop, the US drone page. Not usually the scam sights like eBay and FB. Not usually ordering a drone from China, Korea, or Japan. Failure to fully understand the traps usually don't befall the new drone owner who choses the American path and those paths are traditional for a reason. Unfortunately there's really nowhere else to buy a drone these days so it has become very risky for newbie because the knowledge is not easily gained on how to protect yourself. Imagine if all the car dealership disappeared and so did the sellers like CarMax and the only place left to buy a car was used cars only and it was eBay and a parking lot downtown. Would you not be surprised how many people, regardless of the unlimited resources that were available to them, would be scammed with blown engines, fake VINS, rolled back odometers, bald tires, and stolen vehicles? It's well known that you do the deep dive on cars or take the risks but honestly, you shouldn't have to take a drone to a drone specialist to get it checked out before you buy it. An inexpensive drone is not an expensive car so the expectations can never be the same.

Don't forget, DJI drone sales in America is not a thing ever since they bailed, there is no official DJI page to support sales and nobody knows what a good deal looks like or who offers a good deal or who's legit. The market is semi-abandoned of any real leadership and there's no semblance of a larger secure well-run drone community, it's wide open which is why the scammers have surfaced and why every day there are people asking if this or that is a good deal. Two years ago, you didn't have to ask like that you just buy on Amazon and let them protect you or you hold your nose and buy at Best Buy because you trust them.

Now the criminals are here for a reason and they are starting to adapt and blend in, it's going to get worse before it gets better as long as DJI remains absent. How many people right here in this forum are still trying to get comfortable with eBay and with tariffs on top of that....it's not easy; there are enemies all around us on all sides. I wouldn't be surprised if people just passed and wait to buy another day. If international scammers emerged from Asia on eBay in great numbers, we're screwed.
This is also a terrible time to now be taking up the hobby of flying drones, with all the anti-drone hysteria and realistic portrayals from Ukraine of what our hobbyist drones are capable of in war. They are no longer harmless tripods in the sky with low-res, wide angle cameras. They are easily weaponized and great surveillance tools. When a major player leaves a vacuum behind, scamsters and criminals are sure to fill it!
 
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This is also a terrible time to now be taking up the hobby of flying drones, with all the anti-drone hysteria and realistic portrayals from Ukraine of what our hobbyist drones are capable of in war. They are no longer harmless tripods in the sky with low-res, wide angle cameras. They are easily weaponized and great surveillance tools. When a major player leaves a vacuum behind, scamsters and criminals are sure to fill it!
I see a lot of people trying to get into the hobby to "beat the ban" since they believe there is some sort of December magical deadline and all they have to do is get in before that date and they are good. The most common understanding is that existing drones won't be affected. For this reason, I expect the Mini 5 Pro to be the best seller DJI drone for any 3-month period in history for a drone that isn't officially sold in this country LOL.
 
I see a lot of people trying to get into the hobby to "beat the ban" since they believe there is some sort of December magical deadline and all they have to do is get in before that date and they are good. The most common understanding is that existing drones won't be affected. For this reason, I expect the Mini 5 Pro to be the best seller DJI drone for any 3-month period in history for a drone that isn't officially sold in this country LOL.
Buying a drone that can legally be flown, since it will be grandfathered, isn't the same thing as truly being able to enjoy the hobby and flying for fun, since the public perception of visible drones is now somewhere between paranoia and open hostility, removing the fun component, unless you are truly all alone in the middle of nowhere, and even then, the "friend finder" RID will attract big fleas to the big dog.

It used to be fun, but it continues to be over-regulated and outright prohibited wherever possible by every entity that thinks it has jurisdiction over your new hobby for whatever justification. VLOS and RID actively broadcasting the pilot's exact location, and the exact model of the drone they are flying throughout the flight to anyone that wants to monitor it, means you are now a target for any interested parties, whatever their intentions.

We are legally required to have acute focus on the task at hand, yet anyone can now locate and confront us during our flights to express their displeasure, or worse, while we are are glued to our RC and simultaneously watching the drone, and unable to be fully aware of our terrestrial surroundings, which facillitates surprise attacks. It is similar to the idiots glued to their cell phone screens while walking across the street in traffic, ignoring the danger all around them of texting and inattentive drivers that mow down pedestrians. Never ends well 100% of the time. Is it any wonder that defensive flying now requires a CCP for safety? Defensive driving means always looking out for the other guy. Hard to simultaneously concentrate on your surroundings and whoever is sneaking up behind you, while flying a drone. No rear view mirrors, like in a car!
 
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