Good job dji, NFZ

[Rick]

You may not read this post but considering DJI's level of control of their products, I would think it would be child's play to configure each drone to follow the laws in whatever country the operator happens to be in. Like I've said repeatedly, offering the "safety" guidelines that some of you want is perfectly okay with me. I just want the ability to turn them off if I choose. The auto industry provides seat belts, if you don't wear them they can't be held responsible, right?

Let me try another tact, what if DJI decided tomorrow to keep all of their drones in beginner mode until it had been flown 100 hours? Now that would be a very safe thing to do wouldn't you agree? So if you only have 50 hours on it now, you'd have to fly another 100 batteries worth before you could fly in normal mode. Then if they REALLY want to protect us, they'll make you have another 100 hours before you can use sport mode. Now that would be a company that has our and the drone industries best interests at heart!

It would be impossible to marshal the laws in every country in the world that change on a daily basis. If basic safety features can be invoked on fundamental issues like aircraft collision avoidance why would you want to turn that off. You could argue because you want to fly indoors or within 20 metres of yourself but there are some that wouldnt adhere to that and endanger others by flying within NFZ's like close to airports.
Your analogy of cars is erroneous. Your car has headlights but you wouldn't drive at night with them off because it would be dangerous to do so. Legislation has been put in place to protect you and those around you to drive your car safely. As I said, you can jailbreak your drone if you want, and still fly legally if you choose to. As for restricting your drone for 100 hours in beginner mode, that may be a good idea for the complete novice (10 hours would be more realistic but that's just detail) but for experienced owners it would be a totally unnecessary restriction. Better than that would be to have some form of basic training of hands on experience and familiarisation of the controls and legal requirements. Once a basic level has been achieved and certified, much like driving a car, then you will be considered more capable than one with no experience.
I belive we are singing from the same hymn sheet, but there are a minority that have little or no regard for safety, and its those that need educating for the sake of you and me to continue flying our drones without legislation placing blanket restrictions or bans on the industry.

 

[Grey Wolf]

Don't blur the lines between rules and laws. Big difference there.

It's sanctimonious all knowing hypocrites such as yourself that are actually bad for the "hobby" spouting your what if scenarios and fear mongering.

Name a major life threatening accident caused by any drone. Back up your talk with facts, not the tired regurgitated Drone Police talking points we've all heard over and over again.

It's beyond hilarious and a bit nutty that you think a drone flying with WIFI in someone's home is going to somehow fly out of the doorway get caught in a breeze and then "into the flight path of an air show plane."

Yes, you're right! A small drone connected via WIFI with a top speed of 40mph and WIFI range is going to catch a breeze and then keep up with a air show plane moving 3 to 4 hundred mph hundreds of feet in the air.

No wonder people have ill feelings towards drones. Guys like you running around with insane what ifs and fear mongering. Keep up the great work!

Ease off on the aggressive attitude please!

 

[Grey Wolf]

So, what you're actually saying is that the extreme circumstances that have occurred in your life and those that you've witnessed should translate to everyone else in the overblown sense that you feel necessary?

I wasn't implying an accident can't happen or implying anything for that matter. I said directly, that your drone catching on the breeze and getting in the path of an air show airplane was basically nuts in my book and so illogical that it feeds the negative stereotypes of drones.

Also, an overblown sense of safety in the name of being compliant to laws that don't exsist is detrimental to your "hobby" and scares idiots that have zero knowledge of drones except from the rantings of individuals such as yourself and a large majority of others on this board.

Think about it.

I'm sure by your logic that alcohol should be banned less some idiot get behind the wheel and cause another DUI related accident. While we're at it, let's ban cars! Guns too because people use guns to kill everyday ( I see it constantly) and therefore am a self appointment authority on how to apply it to all to live up to my standards!

I know you mean well, but scary what if senarios and fear mongering will only lead to more "laws" and rules and company self restriction due to pure overblown ignorance of the public and law makers alike. Small commercial drones are truly not that dangerous and not every "pilot" a complete idiot. You can't legislate the dangers out everything. We live in a free society where no ones cares of your personal feelings.

Believe me bro, being a cop for the last 10 years has taught me ALOT about people and truly what they are capable of, both negative and positive. I've seen a lot but try to be as professional as possible and DONT blame others or have an overboard sense of what if? I leave work and what I've seen to work and don't apply it to everyday life or I would go nuts myself.

Anyone with this type of belief should not be flying drones. It's really amazing how some of us think nothing could happen.
Believe me, anything could happen when flying drones!

 

[dirkclod]

Ok guy's lets please stay on topic and stop with the aggressive
posting and be civil and continue to discuss this .
I'm not going to try and clean 104 post cause of a member
continuing to make report's in this .
< PLEASE BE CIVIL IN THIS OR I WILL JUST CLOSE IT >
One last time.

 

[rickopatamus]

If you want to fly where DJI says you can't perhaps you need a drone not made by DJI. I suspect that some company will soon compete against DJI as the choice for "those that don't want restrictions" , until then learn to build your own. It's not hard. Or buy one someone else built

 

[Lon Denard]

It would be impossible to marshal the laws in every country in the world that change on a daily basis. If basic safety features can be invoked on fundamental issues like aircraft collision avoidance why would you want to turn that off. You could argue because you want to fly indoors or within 20 metres of yourself but there are some that wouldnt adhere to that and endanger others by flying within NFZ's like close to airports.
Your analogy of cars is erroneous. Your car has headlights but you wouldn't drive at night with them off because it would be dangerous to do so. Legislation has been put in place to protect you and those around you to drive your car safely. As I said, you can jailbreak your drone if you want, and still fly legally if you choose to. As for restricting your drone for 100 hours in beginner mode, that may be a good idea for the complete novice (10 hours would be more realistic but that's just detail) but for experienced owners it would be a totally unnecessary restriction. Better than that would be to have some form of basic training of hands on experience and familiarisation of the controls and legal requirements. Once a basic level has been achieved and certified, much like driving a car, then you will be considered more capable than one with no experience.
I belive we are singing from the same hymn sheet, but there are a minority that have little or no regard for safety, and its those that need educating for the sake of you and me to continue flying our drones without legislation placing blanket restrictions or bans on the industry.

I'm sorry but I disagree that it's "impossible" to regulate per country. The laws are readily available and with updates they obviously can make the drone do whatever they want.

I'll happily use your headlights analogy, I can drive with them off if I choose. The comparison would be if I couldn't turn them off. I'm a presumably responsible adult...brief side track, maybe that's the difference in thought. My expectation is that I'm innocent until proven guilty. Not that I have to prove my innocence. Nor do I expect to be judged by the actions of others. Okay back on point... there may be some instance in which I wish to drive at night with my headlights off. I am and should be allowed to do so. If it violates some law or causes an accident, I am solely liable and I find it laughable that the company that produced my car would be penalized. Even less that the ENTIRE auto industry would somehow be punished.

The beginner mode example was am intellectual fishing expedition to try and figure out exactly what level of after purchase corporate control you're willing to stomach. I can't express strongly enough that my main concern is that these were AFTER PURCHASE control changes. If we're going to accept, even applaud corporate controls based on the lowest common denominator, then they must assume that every purchaser is a complete novice as they have assumed that we are all idiots that can't follow basic safety practices. Therefore, we must all start or in beginner mode for some DJI specified number of hours before we're allowed to move onto normal mode, where we must fly until our corporate babysitters have decided that we're experienced enough to be allowed to use sport mode.

My last auto related analogy. If I go out and buy a Corvette and during my second oil change, GM decides to install an update that limits my top speed to 70 mph with out either my permission or knowledge. I'm driving down the road and suddenly my car quits accelerating at 70!

As I understand it, that's what DJI initially did. A guy went out to a normal flying spot, where he previously got a warning, and was suddenly unable to fly his drone.

I lived in Europe for several years so I am well aware of the cultural differences between us in America and you over there. In some countries in Europe, you have to wait a year before you're allowed to get married. You are restricted on what cc motorcycle you can buy. Etc,etc,etc... It's a much more socialist style of government over there. Heck, you guys still have kings and queens so having the nanny state control every aspect of your life is normal for you. We don't take well to that level of govt control generally over here...but we seem to be willing to catch up.

 

[Grif]

We have two existing emergency medical facilities within 3 mi. Their helipads are classed as airports-which gave me one heck of a pause! There's a third that will be totally functional in the next six months that will extend the NFZ even more. I've spent the last few days getting multiple parks passes. It's amazing to see how many "NO RC" signs are out there. I don't know the history behind them. However, in my opinion if we don't band together as the RC airplane folks have done, we will be legislated out of fly zones.

 

[Lon Denard]

We have two existing emergency medical facilities within 3 mi. Their helipads are classed as airports-which gave me one heck of a pause! There's a third that will be totally functional in the next six months that will extend the NFZ even more. I've spent the last few days getting multiple parks passes. It's amazing to see how many "NO RC" signs are out there. I don't know the history behind them. However, in my opinion if we don't band together as the RC airplane folks have done, we will be legislated out of fly zones.

Hear, hear!

 

[CoolBreeze]

Living near airport and hospitals, helo ports I do see low flying helicopters. Have know idea how low but low and loud. Seeing or hearing, If I'm at high or max limited altitude 392 ft. I drop altitude asap. Thinking better to not be in area, seen and reported in area, even though legal to be there. Out of sight out of mind. Why draw attention.

FAA...
Helicopters. ·Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums (500 ft.) prescribed In paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.

·Helicopter operations may be conducted below the minimum altitudes set for fixed-wing aircraft. The reason? The helicopter's unique operating characteristics, the most important of which is its ability to execute pinpoint emergency landings during power failure. Further, the helicopter's increased use by law enforcement and emergency medical service agencies requires added flexibility in the application of many FAA provisions.

 

[Rick]

I'm sorry but I disagree that it's "impossible" to regulate per country. The laws are readily available and with updates they obviously can make the drone do whatever they want.

I'll happily use your headlights analogy, I can drive with them off if I choose. The comparison would be if I couldn't turn them off. I'm a presumably responsible adult...brief side track, maybe that's the difference in thought. My expectation is that I'm innocent until proven guilty. Not that I have to prove my innocence. Nor do I expect to be judged by the actions of others. Okay back on point... there may be some instance in which I wish to drive at night with my headlights off. I am and should be allowed to do so. If it violates some law or causes an accident, I am solely liable and I find it laughable that the company that produced my car would be penalized. Even less that the ENTIRE auto industry would somehow be punished.

The beginner mode example was am intellectual fishing expedition to try and figure out exactly what level of after purchase corporate control you're willing to stomach. I can't express strongly enough that my main concern is that these were AFTER PURCHASE control changes. If we're going to accept, even applaud corporate controls based on the lowest common denominator, then they must assume that every purchaser is a complete novice as they have assumed that we are all idiots that can't follow basic safety practices. Therefore, we must all start or in beginner mode for some DJI specified number of hours before we're allowed to move onto normal mode, where we must fly until our corporate babysitters have decided that we're experienced enough to be allowed to use sport mode.

My last auto related analogy. If I go out and buy a Corvette and during my second oil change, GM decides to install an update that limits my top speed to 70 mph with out either my permission or knowledge. I'm driving down the road and suddenly my car quits accelerating at 70!

As I understand it, that's what DJI initially did. A guy went out to a normal flying spot, where he previously got a warning, and was suddenly unable to fly his drone.

I lived in Europe for several years so I am well aware of the cultural differences between us in America and you over there. In some countries in Europe, you have to wait a year before you're allowed to get married. You are restricted on what cc motorcycle you can buy. Etc,etc,etc... It's a much more socialist style of government over there. Heck, you guys still have kings and queens so having the nanny state control every aspect of your life is normal for you. We don't take well to that level of govt control generally over here...but we seem to be willing to catch up.

Not sure how we got from NFZ's to the Kings and Queens of socialist Europe !

 

[BigDuke6ixx]

I'll happily use your headlights analogy, I can drive with them off if I choose. The comparison would be if I couldn't turn them off. I'm a presumably responsible adult...brief side track, maybe that's the difference in thought. My expectation is that I'm innocent until proven guilty. Not that I have to prove my innocence. Nor do I expect to be judged by the actions of others. Okay back on point... there may be some instance in which I wish to drive at night with my headlights off. I am and should be allowed to do so. If it violates some law or causes an accident, I am solely liable and I find it laughable that the company that produced my car would be penalized. Even less that the ENTIRE auto industry would somehow be punished.

Yeah, if you kill someone doing that it will be your fault. The public accept that cars get involved in accidents and that people die because, well, cars are popular with the public. Drone related accidents, for example planes being diverted because of idiots with drones, will never be acceptable for the public at large. DjI know this and are doing their little bit to stop drone usage annoying the public or causing death and injury.

Your arguments are very unsound and you will influence no one that matters with them.

 

[Jixxerz]

Don't blur the lines between rules and laws. Big difference there.

It's sanctimonious all knowing hypocrites such as yourself that are actually bad for the "hobby" spouting your what if scenarios and fear mongering.

Name a major life threatening accident caused by any drone. Back up your talk with facts, not the tired regurgitated Drone Police talking points we've all heard over and over again.

It's beyond hilarious and a bit nutty that you think a drone flying with WIFI in someone's home is going to somehow fly out of the doorway get caught in a breeze and then "into the flight path of an air show plane."

Yes, you're right! A small drone connected via WIFI with a top speed of 40mph and WIFI range is going to catch a breeze and then keep up with a air show plane moving 3 to 4 hundred mph hundreds of feet in the air.

No wonder people have ill feelings towards drones. Guys like you running around with insane what ifs and fear mongering. Keep up the great work!

Just

 

[Jixxerz]

Wow! Name calling, that's helpful.

I know of no major incident caused by a drone. Nevertheless, are you implying an incident can't happen? I don't want to be the first person to cause or be on the receiving end of an incident.

Perhaps my "Safety View" stems from serving in the Navy Airforce working on aircraft. One night while on the flight deck a young sailor walked into a spinning propeller. He was short cutting safety procedures.

I also was a SCUBA diver and followed safety procedures. My and dive buddies safety depended on good safe decisions.

As a Manager Human Resources, I've been responsible for writing safety procedures. Gives me the "What if outlook."

A DUI driver crossed road center line and hit me on my motorcycle, 50 mph zone. Two cardiac arrest, 11 days induced coma, 9 operations, kidney dialysis, 6 months hospital and rehab centers, and two more months home physically therapy before I had the strength to walk upstairs to my bedroom.
Someone's poor decision changed my life.

I don't believe in accidents! Most Incidents happen because of decisions made.

I Also realize many gray areas in young drone sport and Political pressure has the ability to stifle drone flying.

Just trying to say, "Fly Safe My Friend"

I have worked in the safety for going on 30 years, please don't compare yourself to me or people in this profession. You are the kind of person who thinks he knows everything but is usually mostly wrong about everything. I'm sorry I can't be be quiet anymore. CoolBreeze.....you are a moron. I think it's funny that you are ok with not being able to fly your drone inside your own home. Slaves like you that shut up, ask no questions, and blindly do exactly what their government tells them are the reason our country is in the state it's in. Keep being a slave buddy.....you're real good at it.

Admin Edit: Lets not start name calling.

 

[BigDuke6ixx]

I'm sorry I can't be be quiet anymore.

Try a bit harder next time.

 

[LuvMyTJ]

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