Holy ****…34% tariffs on imports from China

[BlueHeeler]

So, exactly how much penguin poop is Trump importing into the US from the Heard and McDonald Islands?

That 10% tariff only applies to products imported into the US. Penguin poop going to China is not tariffed by the US. The tariffs apply to the ginseng products imported into the US from China.

The world-wide application of US tariffs affects things like for instance, electronics that were once produced cheaply in China. US imposed tariffs on them. So China moved production facilities to Korea, as US imports from there weren't tariffed as heavily. So, now the US applies heavier tariffs on Korea as well.



Um, practically everyone?

Everyone on your street perhaps, I can understand the hate for President Trump, but he's no idiot.
Lets get this thread back on track please before it gets canned.

 

[Zbip57]

Even if the price goes up significantly, I would still buy a DJI simply because I like their capabilities , consistency on quality and operation, it would still be cheaper than any American Made UAS System available to the consumer, if there's any left.

That's what the Trump strategy is relying on. The "billions, and billions, and billions" to Make America Great Again will be coming out of your pocket.

If there's no domestic production to replace those imported foreign goods (drones, bananas, coffee), then a 25% tariff means for every $100 of bananas that you import, you the importer will now be paying an additional $25 import tax directly into your government's coffers.

For every $1000 you send to China to buy a new drone, you will need to pay an additional $250 tax to Trump in order to import your drone into the USA (assuming 25% tariff).

It is a new tax imposed on you.

 

[Meta4]

So, exactly how much penguin poop is Trump importing into the US from the Heard and McDonald Islands?

None, nil, nix, nada, zip.
There is no guano extraction happening on Heard & Macdonald Islands.
That must have been a late April Fools joke for people gullible enough to believe that some plant in China can only grow with the application of penguin guano or a number of other glaring problems with the fake story..

Here's the actual explanation.

Revealed: Norfolk Island and uninhabited Australian territories hit with Trump’s tariffs based on mislabelled shipments

Exclusive: Aquarium systems, Timberland boots and recycling plant parts were mislabelled as coming from remote Norfolk Island or Heard and McDonald islands

www.theguardian.com

 

[MS Coast]

Now for the REAL Story

The Heard Island and McDonald Island are the Australian islands located near Antarctica. While the world laughs at Trump for imposing a tariff on islands whose only inhabitants are penguins. But here's the truth of the matter:

Panax notoginseng, commonly referred to as Chinese ginseng is grown only in China and can only be fertilized with poop from the Adélie penguin. This species of penguin widely populates McDonald Island. The Chinese harvest over 5,000 kilograms every year from McDonald Island thus allowing them to be the sole exporter of of Panax notoginseng.

Bottom line, no penguin poop = no Chinese ginseng.

Who said trump is an idiot??

That's the most laughable attempt at justifying an absurd action I've ever seen. April 1 was three days ago.

 

[Zbip57]

I can understand the hate for President Trump, but he's no idiot.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. You only need to listen to any of his speeches or any time he addresses the press to form your own opinion about that. But, certainly, there must still be a few people working behind the scenes who are not idiots and who hopefully have an actual plan to steer this mess into a productive outcome.

 

[Zbip57]

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[Gazwas]

I'll welcome all the tariffs President Trump imposes. Enough of getting taken advantage of as a country. We can make our own goods.

Back to drones, you did see this right......

 

[mavic3usa]

Even if the price goes up significantly, I would still buy a DJI simply because I like their capabilities , consistency on quality and operation, it would still be cheaper than any American Made UAS System available to the consumer, if there's any left.

So will I buy DJI but that will eventually reach a point where it's no longer feasible. For example, the Mavic 4 appears to be a much better drone than the Mavic 3 but eventually DJI is going to have to have the Mavic 5 or 6 or 7 at a even more expensive price but not that much of a tech difference; that's where the costs are going when people claim the manufacturer is "absorbing" it. Apparently these tariffs will force drones to be made in America and the US government will give them a help hand(out) of taxpayers money; we'll see. The US consumer drone industry will look like the defense department industry. This isn't even close to a free market and this isn't capitalism and I firmly believe the government should stay out of it, get out of the way.

 

[msinger]

Nobody in Canada wants these any of these tariffs. The tariffs applied by Trump directly hurt YOU. Americans pay those Trump import tariffs to your American treasury. It is a surcharge tax paid by YOU.

Canada imposes tariffs of up to 250% on dairy products imported from the US once certain import quotas are exceeded. Why not take a similar approach to the US, which has allowed high levels of dairy imports for years in order to keep US consumer prices low?

I'm by no means a tariff expert, but this does suggest there must be some benefits to having tariffs in place.

 

[Zbip57]

Canada imposes tariffs of up to 250% on dairy products imported from the US once certain import quotas are exceeded.

While that 250% figure is actually true, that tariff rate only applies after a certain quota is exceeded. However, that quota has never been reached.

So, despite what Trump keeps saying, there have been ZERO tariffs charged on the US dairy products imported into Canada.

Here is a very good explanation of how it actually works.

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[msinger]

While that 250% figure is actually true, that tariff rate only applies after a certain quota is exceeded. However, that quota has never been reached.

So, despite what Trump keeps saying, there have been ZERO tariffs charged on the US dairy products imported into Canada.

I apologize if it seemed like I was asking a political question. That wasn't my intention, and it has nothing to do with Trump.

I'm genuinely curious. Why is Canada concerned if that quota is exceeded? Wouldn't it make sense to allow as much dairy to be imported as possible so Canadians can access products at lower prices?

 

[Dronecation]

Exactly! Thanks for posting that link. That page explains precisely how tariffs are applied. A tariff is a surcharge tax paid by whoever is importing the goods.

It works exactly the same way for you the other way around. If you, an American, buy something from Canada and import it into the USA, you are now required to pay the surcharge tariff recently announced by Trump. Trump's tariffs are a surcharge import tax paid by American importers.

By the way, the 25% tariff imposed on March 4, 2025, by Canada on USA (as per the link you posted) was enacted in retaliation to the repeated on again off again and on again threats made by Trump against Canada ever since his election.

Nobody in Canada wants these any of these tariffs. The tariffs applied by Trump directly hurt YOU. Americans pay those Trump import tariffs to your American treasury. It is a surcharge tax paid by YOU. Those same Trump tariffs only indirectly hurt Canadians when you stop buying our suddenly much more expensive products.

In retaliation our Cdn government applied those March 4th 25% tariffs on US products. We now have to pay that surcharge tax on any American products imported into Canada. That hurts your economy when we stop buying your now overpriced products, and it hurts us Cdns when we are forced to pay 25% more to buy those American products if they aren't available elsewhere.

Your Trump tariffs hurt Americans directly, and our own Cdn applied 25% retaliatory tariffs hurt Canadians directly. That's why it's called a "trade war". It hurts BOTH countries until one or the other cries uncle and gives up. Meanwhile the stock market crashes, inflation soars, housing prices and groceries and car prices go through the roof (prices on all the things Trump promised would go down on day one after his election).

A trade war with your closest neighbour and biggest trading partner makes no sense at all for either of our countries. Why is he doing this???

Total nonsense. You are brainwashed by libtard media. As I said before, look into what I mentioned and you will figure it out instead of reiterating media fabrications.

Nato allies pressure Canada to step up spending at Washington summit

Canada lags behind its commitment to spend 2% of its GDP on its military and allies have taken notice.

www.bbc.com

Why Canada keeps missing its NATO spending target — and why Conservatives aren't promising to meet it

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pushed back against suggestions that Canada is a “free-rider” in the NATO alliance.

nationalpost.com

 

[MS Coast]

Total nonsense. You are brainwashed by libtard media. As I said before, look into what I mentioned and you will figure it out instead of reiterating media fabrications.

Why Canada keeps missing its NATO spending target — and why Conservatives aren't promising to meet it

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pushed back against suggestions that Canada is a “free-rider” in the NATO alliance.

nationalpost.com

This has been a very civil discussion. Leave the childish slurs out of it, please.

 

[Zbip57]

I apologize if it seemed like I was asking a political question. [...] I'm genuinely curious.

No apologies required. None. This is great!

We NEED to be able to discuss these things like adults so that we can all learn something. I think our moderators deserve a HUGE thanks for permitting this thread to continue as long as it already has.

Why is Canada concerned if that quota is exceeded?

First off, you do need to watch all of that video which I just posted. It explains, much better than I'm able, how our dairy supply management policies work. There's a lot of great info in that video.

Bottom line, Canada produces more than enough dairy products of our own and we're just not interested in buying milk from the USA. Our dairy supply management system ensures a consistent quantity and price level of dairy products. Even if a slightly less expensive supply might be sourced from the USA, our supply management system ensures that our dairy farmers can rely on a consistent guaranteed income for the products they supply.

As stated near the conclusion of the video (starting at 12:00), Canada/USA shares some $700B dollars in trade every year, while dairy represents only an insignificant 0.1% of that trade. Canada has collected ZERO tariffs on that tiny portion of the enormous trade done between our countries.

Trump keeps repeating his bogus claims that Canada is somehow ripping off the US by charging %400 tariffs on your dairy products. It's fiction and just part of his strange performance to whip up rage against the rest of the world. Everything he says can [and SHOULD always be!] immediately fact-checked using any simple Google search.

Here's another obvious example of that. How many times have you heard him claim that the USA has already paid $350B to the Ukraine war, and how often has he claimed that the US has spent FAR MORE than Europe? Do a simple Google search on, "How much has USA paid to Ukraine?" If you can find any credible source that says $350B, please share that link...

 

[Dronecation]

Exactly.

That's the bit that bugs me the most. You constantly see people like this guy, crying "fake news", "lamestream media", and "Stop being brainwashed by Gov't funded media. LMAO!" But when questioned, they can't provide or point to any actual facts to support their position.


Over and over, Trump keeps stating that Canada or China or whoever else will make America rich because those countries have to pay his tariffs. That's not how tariffs work. It's the American importer who pays Trump's import surcharge to the American government. And the importer ultimately passes that increased cost on to American consumers. Trump's import tariffs are a new surcharge tax imposed directly on Americans.

It's not rocket science. Fact-checking isn't difficult. Anyone with access to Google, or any other preferred search engine, can search for things like, "Who pays for tariffs?"

And still, when you try to tell people that simple fact, they'll respond with such convincing arguments like, "Total hogwash".

I'm open to debate, and always eager to learn new stuff. If I'm wrong in anything I've said, I'll happily admit it and be thankful when someone corrects my errors, then hopefully I can avoid looking stupid in future. Telling me I'm, "being brainwashed by Gov't funded media" just doesn't cut it as a convincing argument.

Funny how two weeks into the Canadian general election, Carney has promised more funding for the CBC...

LILLEY: It's true, CBC is government funded and fully left leaning

A big political fight over CBC being called government funded has errupted in Ottawa, here is what is really behind it all.

torontosun.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-cbc-funding-1.7501902

 

[msinger]

Trump keeps repeating his bogus claims

I understand your interest in political figures, but I’d like to clarify that my question wasn’t intended to be political. Let’s keep the discussion focused and avoid turning it into a political debate, as that could lead to the thread being closed due to forum policy.

Bottom line, Canada produces more than enough dairy products of our own and we're just not interested in buying milk from the USA. Our dairy supply management system ensures a consistent quantity and price level of dairy products. Even if a slightly less expensive supply might be sourced from the USA, our supply management system ensures that our dairy farmers can rely on a consistent guaranteed income for the products they supply.

Yes, of course, this all makes perfect sense, and it's clearly a strategy that can only benefit Canada.

That said, when it comes to significant trade imbalances, like in the case of dairy products between the US and Canada, why do you believe tariffs are imposed solely to harm the US? You seem completely fine with Canada implementing tariffs if the imbalance ever shifts against Canadian interests.

So, is the idea that what's good for Canada isn't acceptable when it's the US doing the same?

 

[Dronecation]

This has been a very civil discussion. Leave the childish slurs out of it, please.

That depends on ones interpretation...you seem fine with peeps calling Trump an idiot, but you take offence to libtard.
LMAO...you must be one then...? A Trump hater?

 

[Cafguy]

All I know is that if the price of the Mavics starts going up as projected there will be a point that purchasing a consumer model over an enterprise one will become a "dumb" thing to do. I think we are getting close.

 

[Chip]

Bottom line, Canada produces more than enough dairy products of our own and we're just not interested in buying milk from the USA. Our dairy supply management system ensures a consistent quantity and price level of dairy products. Even if a slightly less expensive supply might be sourced from the USA, our supply management system ensures that our dairy farmers can rely on a consistent guaranteed income for the products they supply.

It sounds like you are okay with Canada putting tariffs on US dairy because you have dairy already and you would rather pay higher dairy price to support the Canadian farmer anyway. Is that about right?

 

[Zbip57]

That said, when it comes to significant trade imbalances, like in the case of dairy products between the US and Canada [...]

I'm certainly no expert on the dairy trade, but I question where you got the idea that Canada is somehow unfairly profiting from a trade imbalance, "like in the case of dairy products".

I'm searching Google using terms like,

• "Value of U.S. dairy product exports to Canada", and
• "Value of Canadian dairy product exports to USA".

Your US Dept of Agriculture shows only up to 2021, when ~$700million of US dairy products were exported to Canada.
www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/charts-of-note/chart-detail?chartId=103549

Here's a page comparing Canadian dairy imports versus exports. Check the charts on the right side of this page.
In 2022 Canada imported $715,612,378 in dairy products from the USA.
In 2022 Canada exported $242,068,613 in dairy products to the USA.
www.progressivepublish.com/downloads/2023/general/2022-ca-stats-highres.pdf

We buy almost three times as much dairy product from the USA, than you do from Canada. According to those numbers, the USA enjoyed a $473.5 million dollar dairy trade surplus in 2022.

Can you find any more recent figures?

The trade imbalance in the case of dairy products is entirely in the USA's favour. Zero Canadian tariffs are currently applied against US dairy imports into Canada? How is Canada supposed to be ripping you guys off? If anything, it's entirely the other way around.

Fact-checking. It's important.