Mavic 4 not available to US !

[AroundTheWorld]

I don't think dji would prevent the Mavic 4 pro from flying on its soil because it would mean that tourists who bought this drone in their home country wouldn't be able to fly it in the U.S., which seems highly unlikely to me.

 

[bkushner]

DJI wouldn't disable the Mavic 4 Pro on US soil. They probably support the idea of Americans buying their DJI Pro4 in other countries and flying back home with them, as a walk-around solution to the tarriff war's uncertainty.

If this was the case why are they saying if you buy elsewhere and bring to US you will have NO WARRANTY?

 

[Conservative Nihilist]

If this was the case why are they saying if you buy elsewhere and bring to US you will have NO WARRANTY?

My understanding is that DJI's long-standing policy has always limited their warranty coverage to the country where the drone was originally purchased. I gleaned this from a couple of posts earlier in this discussion.

 

[msinger]

My understanding is that DJI's long-standing policy has always limited their warranty coverage to the country where the drone was originally purchased.

Yes, that has been the case for many years. If you purchase a drone in Canada (for example), you'll have to take it back to Canada to get any work done under warranty.

 

[bkushner]

But again the drone is not available in the US so why do they care if you buy it somewhere else don’t they wanna make the sale? I understand the gray market principle if you’re selling something in the territory, but they’re not selling it in the US.

 

[mavic3usa]

But again the drone is not available in the US so why do they care if you buy it somewhere else don’t they wanna make the sale? I understand the gray market principle if you’re selling something in the territory, but they’re not selling it in the US.

Really ashamed the DJI policies are so confusing to many and it's not easy to get a straight answer depending on how you look at it or who you talk to. For example, your friend buys a drone from DJI.com and it arrives from China and he has a warranty and he can sign up for Care Refresh. You order a drone from eBay where the seller is in South Korea and your warranty is not valid in the US and if you sign up for Care Refresh, your claim can only be processed thru South Korea even though they let you sign up in America. The difference is your friend bought from the Americas store on DJI.com so it doesn't matter as much where the drone is shipped from....but how would people know this? So many people are getting caught which is why the US (and likely other places) have laws regarding warranties (and less so about service contracts). You and your friend both have the same drone and the GPS module is fried due to DJI fault (i.e. it's a manufacturer's defect) and he can get it fixed but you cannot? This is what people don't understand especially when both products are authentic and the problem is real and you paid the same.

If you bought your M4P from Adorama, you have a warranty. Adorama is authorized dealer and the warranty cannot be disclaimed by the manufacturer based solely on timing or price paid or simply because DJI says they don't sell drones in that country yet. Yes you will be told if it void and if you accept that, that's on you but no way would I accept that if I bought one. I am almost absolutely positive the warranty materials didn't explicitly exclude the USA. DJI should be telling you that your warranty is ineffective out of country, not that you don't have a warranty.

I'm sure DJI has policies and strategies regarding the sales and distribution of their drones and there's a good reason for their business practices which is fine as long as they follow the laws and there are no customer gotchas. If Adorama sold the drone early, that's on them (and DJI) and the customers shouldn't have to be punished for that. How does an American supposed to know "that particular drone model isn't officially released in the US yet." I would argue it *is* released if I buy it from an authorized US seller within the US. But that's what we have courts and arbitration and credit cards for; you could buy a drone on Ebay that says "American seller" but you don't know where he got that drone from. Or, you can buy a drone from eBay that says "shipped from US" but it is actually shipped from China and reshipped. Yeah, you bought it from the Americas Ebay store.

This is not a drone problem, that issue issues for all kinds of electronics but dealing in electronics is borderline shady. I get it, DJI is being as reasonable as they can but I don't think they have a big knockoff or counterfeit problem so why are they really doing this? Perhaps they have all these rules and policies in place but they are lenient and handle it on a case by case basis. Or, they are dominant and it's a monopoly and they do whatever they want. I believe it's more likely the former.

 

[Sunshynff]

DUDE !! DJI is a Global manufacturer of Stabalizers and Gimbals. Drones are just one of the many product they make.
DJI isnt going anywhere, Their Drone sales here will take a hit sure, but its not gonna break them in the least.!

Didn't say DJI was going to collapse, China, the country is going to collapse, it's already started, Anyone that pays even a little attention to global economics knows this. The U.S., despite trump, has been in bipartisan agreement to slowly start pulling away from China and our massive manufacturing ties we have with them since the end of the Obama years. Biden and the UK put hefty tariffs on China at the end of last summer on over 1200 products because China sees the writing on the wall and is trying to flood the global market to save themselves.

Which is like a drowning man trying to cling onto someone trying to save them and causing them both to drown, except in this case them flooding the market if we didn't tariff them would cause massive inflation. But it needed to be done strategically, trump went in and just threw the whole kitchen sink of tariffs at them, now their demise will come sooner, and the U.S. manufacturing infrastructure we started building out 4yrs ago will be no where near ready. If you're in the U.S. get ready for a world of hurt for several years to come, and get used to a world without DJI, unless, like I said, someone buys them out and moves them out of China.

 

[Dave Pitman]

I get it, DJI is being as reasonable as they can but I don't think they have a big knockoff or counterfeit problem so why are they really doing this?

My only comment to your story is that DJI does on occasion have to deal with a load of legit oem merch going missing and ending up on Ebay. So, their policy helps them with that as opposed to just knock offs.

 

[Dave Pitman]

China, the country is going to collapse

Funny you say this. If you do some googling, you will find that global perception is shifting in regards that China is seen as a more reliable trading partner than the US after all of this chaos. Kind of tough to get your mind around.

 

[mavic3usa]

My only comment to your story is that DJI does on occasion have to deal with a load of legit oem merch going missing and ending up on Ebay. So, their policy helps them with that as opposed to just knock offs.

Agreed and that's why I support their activation process where they are free to block any new drone from being used by simply making sure it cannot be activated solely at their discretion.

 

[Cafguy]

Didn't say DJI was going to collapse, China, the country is going to collapse,

China is strategically Placed on the globe to be a production Juggernaut! We (despite their Government) had better hope China stays right where it is. If China were to collapse and they aint going away, our whole way of life here in this country would change drastically. Hey I wanna buy American as much as the next guy and I'm a veteran, But with our government Taking their toll on American businesses the way they do, I can't really afford to "Buy American" as much as I would want too....Sorry.
If you can, more power too you BUT I will tell you a VAST majority of our citizens here cannot. Just cruise on up to the Walmart and check for yourself..

 

[BaldyBoyBilly]

Funny you say this. If you do some googling, you will find that global perception is shifting in regards that China is seen as a more reliable trading partner than the US after all of this chaos. Kind of tough to get your mind around.

wow, really?

 

[BaldyBoyBilly]

China is strategically Placed on the globe to be a production Juggernaut! We (despite their Government) had better hope China stays right where it is. If China were to collapse and they aint going away, our whole way of life here in this country would change drastically. Hey I wanna buy American as much as the next guy and I'm a veteran, But with our government Taking their toll on American businesses the way they do, I can't really afford to "Buy American" as much as I would want too....Sorry.
If you can, more power too you BUT I will tell you a VAST majority of our citizens here cannot. Just cruise on up to the Walmart and check for yourself..

A LOT of the “quality” stuff we buy from China isnt necessary. Buy it today, haul it to the landfill tomorrow.

 

[Cafguy]

A LOT of the “quality” stuff we buy from China isnt necessary. Buy it today, haul it to the landfill tomorrow.

That's America tho and most of the world now. If anything we are consumers and BOY do we consume!! Pretty much everything that the Big corporations "train" us to buy is junk, or useless junk--- Glow-in-the-Dark Gnomes for your Garden, lights that jiggle around like jellyfish, Pots and pans that connect to an apps to tell you when to flip the burger. You show it to us and we gotta have it!
I remember the Cell phone transition days, when just a few had them and I would tell my young Employees (as I was tossing their phone off the roof) that work time was work time and not phone time. Here I am Today with the next to latest Iphone and a Pad or two not Knowing what I would Do without them. Was the decision to get the Iphone my choice? Not really, It got to the point that you had to have one to conduct business. NOW If they would have told me back then that in the future they would be selling me phones at 1100 a pop that will be made obsolete thru marketing and gimmicks in around 18 months, Honestly I may have passed on the whole idea, But as I said, here we are now trained to get the latest and greatest phone every 18 months So we can take a pic of stuff no one cares about...with more clarity!!!
Now every company in the world no matter what they do sells some sort of Knick-Knack junk. Remember when Stanley Made Nothing but Great Tape Measures, Screwdrivers, and such? Today they also make Drinking glasses for "sheep" and I may add have never seen a better profit! Welcome to the world of unconscious consumerism!!

 

[Wreckhunter]

Didn't say DJI was going to collapse, China, the country is going to collapse, it's already started, Anyone that pays even a little attention to global economics knows this. The U.S., despite trump, has been in bipartisan agreement to slowly start pulling away from China and our massive manufacturing ties we have with them since the end of the Obama years. Biden and the UK put hefty tariffs on China at the end of last summer on over 1200 products because China sees the writing on the wall and is trying to flood the global market to save themselves.

Which is like a drowning man trying to cling onto someone trying to save them and causing them both to drown, except in this case them flooding the market if we didn't tariff them would cause massive inflation. But it needed to be done strategically, trump went in and just threw the whole kitchen sink of tariffs at them, now their demise will come sooner, and the U.S. manufacturing infrastructure we started building out 4yrs ago will be no where near ready. If you're in the U.S. get ready for a world of hurt for several years to come, and get used to a world without DJI, unless, like I said, someone buys them out and moves them out of China.

DJI will be around for a long time.they are not going to just dry up and blow away.

 

[Sunshynff]

1.) DJI is in a pickle because they wouldn't be ready. At a minimum they need to make a statement so one of their biggest markets can react properly. If DJI is in the dark, why keep customers in the dark as well?

2.) They've had plenty of time to make up their mind about certain things and if it's just a day or two on tariffs, they should have launched in the US at regular prices and ate a few days of tariffs or work in a few delays.

3.) If it's customs, they should have worked those out with the US government by now, how long has it been? Not saying it's their fault but DJI can't count this as a successful, perfect launch. They can't even answer the question if the Mavic 4 Pro will *ever* be launched in American one day in the future, can they?
Yet they sent drones to YTers for review. I get it they have to be careful what they say but they could have gotten creative on this one, it's not like they didn't have time to figure it out. Maybe they're working on a different kit for the US market. I would have created a large, elaborate pre-order scheme for US customers with special pricing and a big coming soon sign rather than a big fat no-show.

1.) If DJI are in the dark, how could they shine some light on anything to their customers, do you want them to make stuff up? Not sure if you're aware of this, but it is a CCP Federal Law, that ANY corporation or company over a certain size is required to provide a section or group of offices at their headquarters that are strictly for government officials to work out of so they can monitor what the company is doing. This goes far beyond marketing strategy and good public relations. If Xi and the govt. tell them they're not selling to the U.S. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.

2.) Plenty of time?? Trump has only been in office a little over 100 days when all this started. A day or two on tariffs???!!! Ok, I'm not trying to be rude or talk down to you, but you do know that tariffs are paid by the importer, right? DJI can't control what importers have to pay for products they ship. If China is selling widgets for $100 each, and trump puts a 20% tariff on all widget like Chinese products, China still sells them to U.S. importers for $100 each, but when they get to port in the U.S. the importer has to pay $20 more dollars per widget to the U.S. govt to be able to receive the widgets.

On top of that, trump put so many tariffs on so many different type things with China, they have to renegotiate their whole trade deal. I won't even go into how incompetent the people are that trump has surrounded himself with, but I will say, his first time in office, he also renegotiated our trade deal with China, and he had some fairly competent people around him that time, and it still TOOK THEM A YEAR to get the deal finalized. Trump can say all he wants about working out a great deal with Xi, and even if he was telling the truth, that "deal" has to be gone over in detail by China's people and our people, for months and months, or longer before it can be "a done deal", and China has said emphatically that they will not return to exporting things to the U.S. that have currently stopped, until a deal is signed and completely finished. And I can assure you it will take longer than a year this time, if it gets done at all.

3.) Again, it has nothing to do with our customs, their hands are tied, trust me you will not see anything exported to the U.S. for quite some time. All this has also sped up China's eventual collapse, which now very well might happen before the end of this decade.

What the top experts in Geopolitics and global economics are saying (audio is bad in the beginning, it gets better)

 

[Sunshynff]

I think that is highly unlikely. DJI is a successful global company at this point.. The US market is a disaster at this point. No reason to conflate the 2.

I wasn't referring to DJI, I was referring to China, the country, they have been going down hill quick for quite a while now, we were looking at a total economic and societal crash by mid 2030s, but this trade war and a few other factors has sped their demise up a bit, and it's now predicted they won't make it to the end of this decade.

 

[Sunshynff]

Funny you say this. If you do some googling, you will find that global perception is shifting in regards that China is seen as a more reliable trading partner than the US after all of this chaos. Kind of tough to get your mind around.

Oh, just about every single developed nation on the planet is seen as a better trading partner than the U.S. right now. We actually started building out our manufacturing infrastructure about 4-5yrs ago because of China's impeding collapse, much of it fueled by investors jumping ship from a sinking China. But since the orange man came into office like a bull in a China shop (pun intended...lol), those investors have jumped ship from the U.S. too and are looking elsewhere.

Regardless, China is only viewed as a good trade partner by those that are not familiar with the how all that works, and that's largely based on the wave China is still riding from being the manufacturing super power they were all through the 90s, up until around the mid 2010s. But they have several other factors causing their eventual collapse, like demographics and the housing/investment market, just to name a few.

 

[Sunshynff]

Deleted multiple posts that can't seem to follow community rule 13. Please refrain or we'll just shut down the thread.

13. Discussions about politics, weaponry and religion are not permitted in the community and will be closed or removed.

I'm familiar with rule 13, I guess I'm not familiar with your definition of "politics" then. Or maybe I didn't see the posts you had to delete. Talking about countries and policies in a global economy or geopolitical manner, is pretty much impossible not to do when they are directly tied to the issue at hand, which is the U.S. not being able to purchase certain DJI products. I mean DJI mavics are still at the heart of the discussion, and the comments I've seen.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, seriously, I don't plan to, or want to, break any of the rules, I know they exist for a reason, I guess I'm just asking for clarification, so I know where I need to re-word, or phrase something differently, thank you.

 

[mavic3usa]

I'm familiar with rule 13, I guess I'm not familiar with your definition of "politics" then. Or maybe I didn't see the posts you had to delete. Talking about countries and policies in a global economy or geopolitical manner, is pretty much impossible not to do when they are directly tied to the issue at hand, which is the U.S. not being able to purchase certain DJI products. I mean DJI mavics are still at the heart of the discussion, and the comments I've seen.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, seriously, I don't plan to, or want to, break any of the rules, I know they exist for a reason, I guess I'm just asking for clarification, so I know where I need to re-word, or phrase something differently, thank you.

Pretty sure discussing the fantasy about the demise of society, the downfall of China as a country, and the end of DJI as a company in the next 5 - 10 years is politics.