New Jersey Drone Sightings May Not Be Drones. By Professor Will Austin.
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Not saying revenue is why we see this drone panic today, so I'm not really hypothesizing an intent as much as making a prediction. Agencies love revenue streams, finding a new one is always in their heads. With any bruhaha, they must be thinking "How can I capitalize on this?"There is some level of irony or humor when you sarcastically mention conspiracy in the same post where you theorize that the reason for the NOTAMs is to create a new revenue stream.
Mark
Absolutely nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence. We (everyone) use it all the time.
The logic goes like this: We can prove there is a laser reflector on the moon: thus we can circumstantially say someone placed it there; hence we have travelled to the moon. Also, there are rocks and dust returned and seen by enough people (and I have even seen the moon rocks personally). Combined with other evidence, key word: evidence, the conclusion is unavoidable.
This is a much better and longer 28mins version of the Oregon incident. No dramatic music or opinions added. Just ATC radio, with highlights added to show which aircraft is currently talking. The medevac pilot says he has video he'd share with ATC. That'd surely be interesting to see.
The news is reporting that anti-drone legislation is being actively blocked which should be a cause for concern that we have these bills being created even before the year ends and the facts are in; pretty quickly. And it won't stop until it is done.
We have to fight back even if we have to team up with legislators and news stations and others that we don't like or don't normally partner with otherwise the Patriot Act for Drones will be passed and the hobby will forever be impacted. It aways happens that way, once you pass the Act and the "aliens" go away, the Act is turned around and used or enforced against the honest, law-abiding hobbyists. No one is going to allow the Act to go to waste because if the bg goes away the Act should be repealed but instead it will stay forever and sooner or later, the authorities will want to use it and it's the people who will become the new targets. We've seen this before....several times.
We have to fight back even if we have to team up with legislators and news stations and others that we don't like or don't normally partner with otherwise the Patriot Act for Drones will be passed and the hobby will forever be impacted. It aways happens that way, once you pass the Act and the "aliens" go away, the Act is turned around and used or enforced against the honest, law-abiding hobbyists. No one is going to allow the Act to go to waste because if the bg goes away the Act should be repealed but instead it will stay forever and sooner or later, the authorities will want to use it and it's the people who will become the new targets. We've seen this before....several times.
Great, we're finally getting somewhere.
Please provide a link to any accounts from people you find credible, and to any sightings you feel are not in the noise category.
None of the media reports ever include anything more than flashing lights, while talking about "these drone sightings". They're showing sightings of flashing lights. What makes people believe those lights are anything OTHER than normal aircraft?
Droning on and on...
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So, circumstantial evidence, at this point, tells me something's afoot. The latest is the issuance of NOTAMs in the area, which the FAA does not issue simply because the public has become hysterical over nothing.
What is going on I have no idea. But to continue to insist all this is simply the fevered dreams of an hysterical ignorant public is now on the same side of the line as those insisting these are extraterrestrials.
Ad nauseum, I'm making no claim as to what's going on.
You, on the other hand, keep insistng that this is nothing more than a bunch of hysterical ignoramuses mistaking ordinary aircraft for UFOs.
Droning on and on...
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No. I'm not motivated to convince you of anything, nor is it important to me in any way. You're asking me to make an effort for no reason that matters to me at all.
I get it. NOTAMs don't convince you somethings going on. I can live with that.
Follow the logic. A guy sees a plane, thinks it's a drone, posts a fuzzy video as proof he saw a drone. Others look up, and see lights similar to that first post. Soon, a thousand people have video of "drones" and demand the government act to protect us from this invasion.
Authorities try to calm the public with reason: "The videos are of normal aircraft operating normally." Reason fails.
All the FAA can do is set up zones that will deny LAANC approval in certain places as insurance they aren't accidentally enabling real drones from flying near sensitive place. Used to be you could fly over a dam - they make for good photos. Now you can't. But at least they did something. Yet this doesn't stop all the reports of commercial jets as drones (people can't discern the difference), so the panic continues.
Legislators, whom are subject to the same whims and fancies as the drone reporters, decide to take action. They canvas all the parties who are currently responsible for dealing with the public panic and they all say "YEAH: Let's let Davey LEO figure it out. I'm for that!"
Thus a bill is born.
justhangingaround
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Conspiracies are effective because people don't demand evidence or proof. They hop on the bandwagon happy to be a part of something, and ignore the basic truth there is nothing there.
I know Idaho might be a bit far away from the center of where this happened but what you described, it didn't happen that way. You're changing the story.
For example: Authorities try to calm the public with reason: "The videos are of normal aircraft operating normally." Reason fails.
In reality: Authorities try to calm the public with: "The videos are ... we don't know exactly. We have no idea what's going on or what people are seeing. it could be anything but we do know it's harmless and there is nothing to be afraid of. We don't see manned aircraft in those initial videos or else we would have said so."
And then it escalated from there. That's what happen. Why are you trying to change the story? Do you want to try again with the real story? And add the parts about where the authorities went to go looking and the reported back with the same strange sitings which further escalated things. Do you want to add in the fact that police show up and even the police can't figure out "some" of what they see.
Your story is all mixed up. No wonder you got it wrong, you absolutely think something else happened when it didn't.
Here's a clue:
You won't be able to rewrite this, it's all documented.
Eyewitness reports are incredibly inaccurate. Most people can't accurately communicate what they saw or said 5 minutes ago.
Droning on and on...
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Please tell me the bandwagon I've hopped on. The conspiracy theory I've argued in favor of here. Include quotations.
I find the whole situation rather interesting and bizarre. I agree with others here that I have yet to see a single video or photo that shows dozens of drones. Showing a single or few lights in the sky in some of the busiest airspace in the nation doesn't really prove them to be drones. Especially when they have the telltale markers of manned aircraft. Reports by a cop who apparently say 50 drones coming in off the ocean without a single video is also very suspect.
Do we believe something just because a cop said it? People see these drones flying in a grid pattern but yet they look like a line of planes coming in to land at what are some of the busiest airports in the nation. Just because more people are seeing this and posting videos doesn't prove anything.
Why were there so many UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s? Because there were more people reporting things. That makes other people seem to think they saw something. Yet with more modern technology today, we don't see anything that is any better than what was reported decades ago. Right now you have everyone out there with their phone (a poor camera for this) pointed to the sky thinking they are seeing drones or UAPs. The problem is that most of these people have no real knowledge or understanding of what they should be looking at or looking for.
Do we believe something just because a cop said it? People see these drones flying in a grid pattern but yet they look like a line of planes coming in to land at what are some of the busiest airports in the nation. Just because more people are seeing this and posting videos doesn't prove anything.
Why were there so many UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s? Because there were more people reporting things. That makes other people seem to think they saw something. Yet with more modern technology today, we don't see anything that is any better than what was reported decades ago. Right now you have everyone out there with their phone (a poor camera for this) pointed to the sky thinking they are seeing drones or UAPs. The problem is that most of these people have no real knowledge or understanding of what they should be looking at or looking for.
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No, I am not changing anything.
Here's a quote from the authorities:
“We assess that the sightings to date include a combination of lawful commercial drones, hobbyist drones and law enforcement drones, as well as manned fixed-wing aircrafts, helicopters, and even stars that were mistakenly reported as drones,” Kirby said.
Noteworthy is this tidbit also by Kirby: While the FBI is still checking out 100 or so tips, none of them appear nefarious, he said.
Anyone who has been quoted as saying "We don't know" were simply not in the loop and expressing a personal opinion before anyone actually started explaining the claims.
Show me any .gov post where the authorities looked and found drones where those most common videos were taken. Just one, please, I beg of you. lol
Not rewriting the story. Just stating facts of the events so far. It is tantamount to adding to the conspiracy to do anything else. Repeating unfounded claims is just amplifying the rumor, part of that mass hysteria thing I keep mentioning.
ps: youtube posts are 100% ignorable. I never trust the source, ever. just too many ways to alter without notice.
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