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I’m going on a camping trip this week and before leaving, I’m trying to plan out my flights a bit.

Part of my planning is trying to figure out whether I should be flying using dual-band frequency, or specifying between 2.4/5.8.

The reason I ask is because my flight will essentially be following a river with many trees obstructing the transmission from the RC controller to my Mavic 3 (and yes, that also means I will not be maintaining VLOS during these flights.)

I’ve read that the 2.4 frequency is better for long distance flights and assumed it might be the similar for my situation. Can anyone confirm this? TIA!

PS - Please don’t bother commenting about how I should be maintaining VLOS. You’ll just be wasting your time.🙏🏻
 
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I’m going on a camping trip this week and before leaving, I’m trying to plan out my flights a bit.

Part of my planning is trying to figure out whether I should be flying using dual-band frequency, or specifying between 2.4/5.8.

The reason I ask is because my flight will essentially be following a river with many trees obstructing the transmission from the RC controller to my Mavic 3 (and yes, that also means I will not be maintaining VLOS during these flights.)

I’ve read that the 2.4 frequency is better for long distance flights and assumed it might be the similar for my situation. Can anyone confirm this? TIA!

PS - Please don’t bother commenting about how I should be maintaining VLOS. You’ll just be wasting your time.🙏🏻
Radio waves can't pass through water and trees are full of water.
Your control signal won't be affected by a branch or two but if you get enough foliage and timber between the controller and the drone, the signal won't get through.
What you are suggesting sounds like you want to break the laws of physics.
But I guess telling you that is wasting my time?
 
The best Is the 2.4....It wont help you a bit for being around trees and stuff tho. See post above.
You are also planning a flight above a "Forested Area". while not a national forest, Special rules Apply there and over ANY forested area.
For N.C. flight over is allowed unless you are anywhere near the DuPont State Recreational Forest, In that case your flight cannot happen.
Check carefully the laws regarding Flying a Drone over these areas in your state and adjust your flight attitude Accordingly.
In other words:::: Flying Beyond VLOS AND Starting a Forest fire would NOT be good for you. and would be a very expensive venture.
 
I’m going on a camping trip this week and before leaving, I’m trying to plan out my flights a bit.

Part of my planning is trying to figure out whether I should be flying using dual-band frequency, or specifying between 2.4/5.8.

The reason I ask is because my flight will essentially be following a river with many trees obstructing the transmission from the RC controller to my Mavic 3 (and yes, that also means I will not be maintaining VLOS during these flights.)

I’ve read that the 2.4 frequency is better for long distance flights and assumed it might be the similar for my situation. Can anyone confirm this? TIA!

PS - Please don’t bother commenting about how I should be maintaining VLOS. You’ll just be wasting your time.🙏🏻
You're planning a long range flight in a heavily wooded, meandering corridor?

If you remain static and send your drone out BVLOS, it won't matter what frequency you use: you will lose the control signal.

When that happens (not 'if'): if you're lucky, really lucky, RTH might deliver your expensive Mavic 3 back to where you launched it, now all you have to worry about is whether there's canopy cover obstructing the auto-land sequence.

A workable solution would be to be on the river, in a kayak, or canoe and set the bird up to follow you... that way, the control signal remains strong and constant, you get exactly the kind of footage you're looking for... and as a bonus: you don't break the law.

But that's your decision, even though your actions stand a chance of negatively impacting the majority of other drone fliers who try hard to act professionally and responsibly.
 
Hi P,
On Thrusday I lost my Mini pro4 in a similar setting to what you're talking about. (I found it the next day) but there are paths where I was flying.
I noticed that it didn't 'see' many GPS satellites, so bear that in mind.

I would go with #4
"A workable solution would be to be on the river, in a kayak, or canoe and set the bird up to follow you... that way, the control signal remains strong and constant, you get exactly the kind of footage you're looking for... and as a bonus: you don't break the law."

Cheers, C.
 
For N.C. flight over is allowed unless you are anywhere near the DuPont State Recreational Forest, In that case your

North Carolina controls their own airspace ?

As for everything else, I fly over a forested area from my backyard and really don't have connection issues until my drone is roughly 3/4 of a mile away. Some of that area is broken up by fields though.

OP, I think you are probably in for a disappointment in a location like that. I've been able to fly over an even more heavily forested area that is close to my home, and it gets old pretty quickly just looking at tree canopy, and if you have any sense of responsibility the fear of losing your drone settles in pretty quickly.
 
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The best Is the 2.4....It wont help you a bit for being around trees and stuff tho. See post above.
You are also planning a flight above a "Forested Area". while not a national forest, Special rules Apply there and over ANY forested area.
For N.C. flight over is allowed unless you are anywhere near the DuPont State Recreational Forest, In that case your flight cannot happen.
Check carefully the laws regarding Flying a Drone over these areas in your state and adjust your flight attitude Accordingly.
In other words:::: Flying Beyond VLOS AND Starting a Forest fire would NOT be good for you. and would be a very expensive venture.
The FAA may issue TFRs restricting flights over specified forest lands when there are wildlands fire suppression or other emergency operations underway, but I'd like to see a citation which supports your contention that it's illegal to fly over forest areas in general. It doesn't matter who owns or administers the forests, whether private, local, state or federal. Such entities can restrict launching, landing, and operating drones within their boundaries, but they exercise no dominion over the airspace above their forests.
 
2.4 would give you more range.
5.8 is more reflective and will work better around cover and obstructions.

I would leave it in dual mode for the best of both worlds.
 
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2.4 would give you more range.
5.8 is more reflective and will work better around cover and obstructions.

I would leave it in dual mode for the best of both worlds.
Exactly. Dual mode dynamically selects the best frequency band at all times during the flight. No need for pilot to make a choice of one or the other, which would force a lost signal response if the manually selected band crapped out.
 
that it's illegal to fly over forest areas in general.
I have NEVER said its illegal please read my comments carefully.
Navigating the complexities of flying a drone above forested areas requires an understanding of both general FAA regulations and location-specific rules set by land managers, such as the National Park Service (NPS) and the U.S. Forest Service (USFS).
  • State Parks: Rules vary widely by state and locality. Some parks allow drones in designated areas, while others prohibit them entirely. Always check with the specific park you plan to visit.
  • Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Lands: Drone use is allowed on many BLM lands, but like with National Forests, drones are prohibited in designated wilderness/primitive areas. Remember to research local regulations and wilderness area boundaries before flying
  • Drones can disturb or harm wildlife and should be kept a safe distance from animals and sensitive areas.
  • Flying near wildfires is illegal and dangerous as it can interfere with firefighting efforts.
  • Noise from drones can negatively impact wildlife and the visitor experience.
  • Crashes can cause environmental damage to trees and vegetation. Practicing safe flying techniques, like maintaining visual line of sight, helps prevent accidents.
  • Before flying a drone above any forested area, always research and understand the specific regulations in place, including FAA rules and any local restrictions imposed by land management agencies. By following these guidelines and prioritizing safe and responsible drone operation,
Flying a Drone beyond VLOS in these areas is Dangerous! You can start a big fire!..One the drone pilot will be liable for.
 
I have NEVER said its illegal please read my comments carefully.
Navigating the complexities of flying a drone above forested areas requires an understanding of both general FAA regulations and location-specific rules set by land managers, such as the National Park Service (NPS) and the U.S. Forest Service (USFS).
  • State Parks: Rules vary widely by state and locality. Some parks allow drones in designated areas, while others prohibit them entirely. Always check with the specific park you plan to visit.
  • Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Lands: Drone use is allowed on many BLM lands, but like with National Forests, drones are prohibited in designated wilderness/primitive areas. Remember to research local regulations and wilderness area boundaries before flying
  • Drones can disturb or harm wildlife and should be kept a safe distance from animals and sensitive areas.
  • Flying near wildfires is illegal and dangerous as it can interfere with firefighting efforts.
  • Noise from drones can negatively impact wildlife and the visitor experience.
  • Crashes can cause environmental damage to trees and vegetation. Practicing safe flying techniques, like maintaining visual line of sight, helps prevent accidents.
  • Before flying a drone above any forested area, always research and understand the specific regulations in place, including FAA rules and any local restrictions imposed by land management agencies. By following these guidelines and prioritizing safe and responsible drone operation,
Flying a Drone beyond VLOS in these areas is Dangerous! You can start a big fire!..One the drone pilot will be liable for.
Now retired, I was a career employee of the National Park Service and, in that capacity, was a federally commissioned law enforcement ranger for 27 years. I live within one mile of Colorado National Monument, where I served for years as Chief Ranger. I'm familiar with NPS regulations generally and 36CFR1.5 specifically, and I respect their intent. I've never encroached upon the monument's or other parklands' airspace, and I never will.

That said, the NPS's 36CFR1.5 does not expressly prohibit drone flights over parklands. It regulates only the launching, landing, and operating of them. It cannot regulate use of the airspace. That's solely within the FAA's purview. Though the FAA's 14USC107.45 acknowledges and honors the regulations of controlling land managing agencies, it doesn't expressly prohibit drone flights over those agencies' holdings either -- even over proposed and congressionally designated wilderness areas. What the NPS can regulate and prohibit are nonconforming behaviors which involve the disturbance or harassment of wildlife, the damaging or destruction of natural and cultural resources, intrusions on visitor enjoyment, interference with agency functions (like wildlands fire suppression), and so on.

Civil, commercial, and military aircraft often fly over parklands and wilderness areas, and few people give them a second thought because they fly higher, assuming they're in compliance with FAA minimums. There are, of course, pilots who don't comply.

In the summer of 1970, while serving as a district ranger in the North Unit of Theodore Roosevelt NMP (now a NP) in North Dakota, I observed a small plane make repeated low altitude passes over a small herd of bison. The bison were alarmed enough to form a defensive circle around their calves. I noted the plane's tail number, contacted the FAA to ascertain the identity of the aircraft's owner/pilot, determined from flight records that he was indeed aloft at the time, cited him, and obtained a conviction in the US Magistrate's court in Bismarck.

When I was Chief Ranger at Badlands NM (now a national park), a guy with a helicopter set up shop outside the boundaries and offered rides. It gets hot in the badlands during the summer, and like many of his ilk, he sometimes shorted himself on fuel to save weight so he could accommodate an additional passenger. One day, he ran out of fuel, auto-rotated downward, and crashed in the monument, suffering only minor injuries and scaring the daylights out of his elderly passengers. When the FAA investigated, they drained the fuel tanks, fuel lines, even the sediment bulbs in his carburetors, and were able to find a total of about one quart of gas.

Unlike other aircraft, drones sometimes get a bad rap because our flights are restricted to lower altitudes AGL and are thus more likely to be perceived as intrusive or even threatening. In many respects, perceptions simply boil down to a matter of thresholds.
 

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