I need a computer for editing (that costs less than my drone)

[wytnyt]

Dang, this is awesome, I'm actually learning stuff AND it seems I accidently sped up my editing without trying! I use an external for all of my storage. So it's never on my computer other than being routed to the drive.

I do have one question, when you move the data {video}, from your drive, int or ext, into the program, doesn't it then reside in your ram? Why would your computer to back to the hard drive?

For example, I take a hose and fill a bucket. Once the bucket is full, I turn off the hose. I then start using water in the bucket. How does that affect my girlfriend taking a shower? Sorry for the weak analogy, just trying to understand the process.

memory is called random access memory,it doesnt store every mb you run,it stores the operative files it needs to perform specific tasks,,like you have 12mb of ram and are doing a 15 gig video file,it cant store it all,now comes secondary ram or called virtual ram where Os uses hdd space files for quicker use.

 

[Lon Denard]

memory is called random access memory,it doesnt store every mb you run,it stores the operative files it needs to perform specific tasks,,like you have 12mb of ram and are doing a 15 gig video file,it cant store it all,now comes secondary ram or called virtual ram where Os uses hdd space files for quicker use.

Oh I recognize that, in the context of this conversation, and considering that I honestly store my data externally, and considering that the Mavic records clips in 9 min amounts-i don't think that's over 12G (the ram in question) I'm not understanding why the computer would go back to the hard drive for data. In my case, it can't go back to the "well". I'm honestly confused, especially in my use case. Doesn't the data "move" from the drive, int or ext, onto the ram\prog for processing? Once, I move the data, I can remove the hard drive, right? Ugh, this stuff is complicated!!!

 

[Lon Denard]

Oh wait... So when I move the data to the editing program, it's actually on my hard drive in a temp partition while the program utilizes the ram to process it? Or something?

 

[microlinux]

actually the Os constantly accesses the drive that its on,for any type of interaction.

Under "normal" conditions the OS itself performs negligible IO.

If someone is heavy multitasker running many programs, the IO caused by those programs could add up - but I doubt many people do heavy multi-tasking when they are editing video.

There are exceptions to everything, but the average Joe's OS is unlikely to be inhibiting disk performance. It's the IO characteristics of concurrently running programs that are most problematic.

 

[microlinux]

Ssd still has one hose carrying that data. 4k is a lot of data moving at 30 fps. Multiple hoses means cpu, no matter how fast or modern, stays at optimal speed. It's simply physics.

A decent SSD can completely saturate a SATA II connection (max ~300MBps) and nearly saturate a SATA III connection (600MBps) with sequential operations. Even random read/writes are far beyond what any normal user will ever need. Unless you have tons of other garbage accessing the disk at the same time, you generally gain very little by splitting programs/files across SSDs.

 

[microlinux]

I do have one question, when you move the data {video}, from your drive, int or ext, into the program, doesn't it then reside in your ram?

Frequently, yes - it gets cached to RAM. Most file access occurs on initial read, or during writes.

 

[wytnyt]

Oh wait... So when I move the data to the editing program, it's actually on my hard drive in a temp partition while the program utilizes the ram to process it? Or something?

there you go,,it stores in virtual memory and the ram pulls from virtual memory in bits to perform tasks,like ram is the brain and virtual memory is the box where its stored and waiting to be used.also you can allocate the size of virtual memory you want.any file can use virtual memory when first used it allows for quicker retrieval.

 

[Lon Denard]

Frequently, yes - it gets cached to RAM. Most file access occurs on initial read, or during writes.

Aha! An old dog can learn new tricks!

So not to wear it out, I take my bucket {editing program}, scoop water out of the lake {external hard drive}, wash my car with it {edit}, and then throw it back into the lake or another bucket, etc.

And

 

[wytnyt]

Aha! An old dog can learn new tricks!

So not to wear it out, I take my bucket {editing program}, scoop water out of the lake {external hard drive}, wash my car with it {edit}, and then throw it back into the lake or another bucket, etc.

And

and,rinse and repeat

 

[Lon Denard]

there you go,,it stores in virtual memory and the ram pulls from virtual memory in bits to perform tasks,like ram is the brain and virtual memory is the box where its stored and waiting to be used.also you can allocate the size of virtual memory you want.any file can use virtual memory when first used it allows for quicker retrieval.

If my main bucket {ram} is insufficient, I have a second bucket {virtual memory} that is used when I need more water {data} to complete the job {edit} ! Aha! I thought these were divergent concepts but actually they tie into each other nicely.

Thanks guys!

 

[Lon Denard]

and,rinse and repeat

Hahaha! Right. Now I need to find the patience to practice editing. I have almost 2T of video I haven't looked at since I shot it. No bs. I like flying, the video is a secondary benefit but I've recently had a bit of time to browse a couple clips and I've gotten some interesting stuff. There's no telling what jewels I might have! I may have to cancel my cable and lock up my PS4!!! Hahaha!

 

[Mossiback]

Question, would it make sense for him to get the DJI external drive or a Gnarbox? It seems it would kill two or three birds with one stone.

Either would work, the built-in micro USB port is a nice touch. Whatever is used, it should be used to store a duplicate of the original photo/video and the edited versions and then kept in the car or anywhere other than where the computer is. I would have the master on the computer for quicker access.

 

[microlinux]

it stores in virtual memory and the ram pulls from virtual memory in bits to perform tasks,like ram is the brain and virtual memory is the box where its stored and waiting to be used.also you can allocate the size of virtual memory you want.any file can use virtual memory when first used it allows for quicker retrieval.

It doesn't really allow for quicker retrieval, swap is stored on disk . It's primary purpose is to simulate RAM in low memory situations.

 

[wytnyt]

It doesn't really allow for quicker retrieval, swap is stored on disk . It's primary purpose is to simulate RAM in low memory situations.

your'e partially right,on startup VR is empty,run a file it goes to ram and VR so that process time is quicker for the ram,VR is used regardless of ram size to optimize processes.

 

[microlinux]

your'e partially right,on startup VR is empty,run a file it goes to ram and VR so that process time is quicker for the ram,VR is used regardless of ram size to optimize processes.

To some extent, it can be used to optimize processes - but whether data is in "swap" or "really" on disk, it's on disk. In both cases you are reading from a disk.

In the context of program file access, there is no performance benefit. If you're doing a lot of swapping, you need more RAM to increase performance. It's not a desirable thing.

 

[Kilrah]

While an SSD isn't physically moving to retrieve data, it still only talks to your motherboard through one cable and that's where mild traffic jams can happen working with huge video throughput.

Except that the "hose" of an SSD is 4-20 times "bigger" than the best he will get with an external mechanical drive, so again your suggestion is completely wrong.

Accessing footage from the SSD might once in a while get slowed a tad from the minimum 500MB/s it is capable of if a ton of other stuff is doing accesses simultaneously. Accessing footage from an external drive caps him at 130MB/s at BEST, not even talking of the hugely worse access times.
Using an external mechanical drive when he's got an SSD is the most stupid suggestion you could do...

On the contrary while you might want your long term storage to be on a mechanical drive for obvious cost/size reasons you're always better off store the material to the SSD until you're done working with it.
Not that having the footage on a mechanical drive would be much of a problem unless you're doing multicam/lowcompression editing, but it will never be "better".

 

[Callum]

Anyone after a laptop for editing, EVGA have there first gaming laptop SC17 980m version reduced in a lot of places.

17" 4k display (87% Adobe RGB).
i7 6820hk unlocked CPU
32GB DDR4 Ram
Gtx 980m 8GB GPU
256GB PCIE SSD
1TB HDD

Picked up for £999 in the UK at scan.

 

[Simmo]

I am computer illiterate compared to you guys, but I bought this for my son (16) for christmas.....
He comes down today and says
"Dad, can I just overclock it by 10%"
"Why" I say.....
"all my mates are overclocking theirs.."
I'm over it....
This is what I bought him...

Key Features

• The Lenovo Legion Y720-8A Cube Gaming Desktop has a quad-core i7 processor and a remarkable 16GB RAM, enabling it to handle multiple tasks simultaneously with uncompromised speed.
• With a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD, the Y720-8A gives you the best of both worlds – a sizeable storage capacity for your files and speedy access to programs that you access the most.
• Driven by an 8GB NVIDIA GTX1080 graphics chipset, this desktop lets you play games or run software with smooth and detailed visuals.
• Complete with a mouse and keyboard, this Lenovo Desktop package lets you get to work or leisure with minimal hardware preparations required.
• Preloaded with Windows 10, this Lenovo Legion Gaming Desktop runs on a secure, customisable, and versatile platform.

 

[Callum]

I am computer illiterate compared to you guys, but I bought this for my son (16) for christmas.....
He comes down today and says
"Dad, can I just overclock it by 10%"
"Why" I say.....
"all my mates are overclocking theirs.."
I'm over it....
This is what I bought him...

Key Features

• The Lenovo Legion Y720-8A Cube Gaming Desktop has a quad-core i7 processor and a remarkable 16GB RAM, enabling it to handle multiple tasks simultaneously with uncompromised speed.
• With a 1TB HDD and a 256GB SSD, the Y720-8A gives you the best of both worlds – a sizeable storage capacity for your files and speedy access to programs that you access the most.
• Driven by an 8GB NVIDIA GTX1080 graphics chipset, this desktop lets you play games or run software with smooth and detailed visuals.
• Complete with a mouse and keyboard, this Lenovo Desktop package lets you get to work or leisure with minimal hardware preparations required.
• Preloaded with Windows 10, this Lenovo Legion Gaming Desktop runs on a secure, customisable, and versatile platform.

If it's games he's into that will play anything at ultra settings. Great present, should think himself very lucky.

 

[Kilrah]

Yup, nice mini-itx machine, just built a comparable little SFF machine myself...
No idea if the motherboard in there supports overclocking, ready-made systems tend to have the UEFI locked up to basic stuff only.

You can tell him he can try documenting himself and see if he can do it, but warning him that it's not without risk either to his data or hardware. That is guaranteed to teach him something, whether it is how to do it, how machines work and that this one can't be and why, how to fix his blunders or that he doesn't know as much as he thought and now has to either wait or pay for someone to fix them