No drones allowed signs

Dangerly · Oct 19, 2023

I have a collection of photos I've taken of "No drones allowed" signs in famous places, where it should be so obvious that of course you shouldn't fly a drone there, but they have a sign for those people who for whatever reason don't know any better. That said, wouldn't it be amazing to fly a drone at the Grand Canyon or the Golden Gate Bridge?

mavic3usa · Oct 19, 2023

You mean like this?

Sounds like it's easy at the bridge but not something I would do:

Maybe remoteID will help to deter these illegal flights: San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge is a hot spot for illegal drone activity

Dangerly · Oct 19, 2023

mavic3usa said:
You mean like this?
Sounds like it's easy at the bridge but not something I would do:

Maybe remoteID will help to deter these illegal flights: San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge is a hot spot for illegal drone activity

I would hope the FAA would be going after pilots like that. I don't even want to play the videos so that whoever this rogue pilot is won't get the views.

mobilehomer · Oct 19, 2023

The bridge is not in a NFZ. I checked Air Control. The land area around it isn't either.

mavic3usa · Oct 19, 2023

They certainly have enough signs and warnings posted that would make it extremely difficult not to get contacted if you were anywhere near the bridge itself. Probably need to be far away and it sounds like they get you with BVLOS. Either way, I found this brochure and ironically, Golden Gate is on the front page:

https://www.nps.gov/orgs/aviationprogram/upload/unmanned-aircraft-in-national-parks.pdf

Cafguy · Oct 19, 2023

Any tourist attraction here in California is a No Drone zone and they sometimes post signs and sometimes not.
Mostly they are Local safety laws and such BUT If you are Part 107 You can get permission if you have the TIME, Insurance, and can Work thru all the other Gov. Red tape. I know a few guys who's companies have gotten them permission to fly in some pretty crazy places that you would think no one could ever fly at. One of these guys even got to fly his Drone at LAX { Near a very small way off hanger with officials all around, and get this: It was tethered at that! But Still cool.
The guy that took the bridge photos could have had permission It is actually a National recreation area and if you start flying your drone in the area I can promise they are on their way to tell you to stop. There are many Attractions besides the bridge so anywhere near the bridge is a No-No.

shb · Oct 19, 2023

I don't know why they would not want drones flying around the Golden Gate bridge or Grand Canyon.

Cafguy · Oct 19, 2023

Many reasons I suppose. The Golden Gate bridge has cameras down the whole length of it and all around the perimeter To keep someone from adding there name to the suicide list.
I can imagine there is a very long list of drone offenders they have had to ask to leave the Area.

spsphotos · Oct 20, 2023

You can't take off, land or operate from the Presido or the Park on other side. But you can fly from outside those areas. They can't do anything to stop you there.

Droning on and on... · Oct 20, 2023

mobilehomer said:
The bridge is not in a NFZ. I checked Air Control. The land area around it isn't either.

Irrelevant.

The flight in that second video was massively in violation of many important rules for the safety of unaware people on the bridge driving their cars. And the risk taken flying through the narrow openings at the tops of the towers, and directly over the road surface in between the support cables were extremely dangerous.

All it would take is a strong gust, which happen all the time in that locale, and crash.

Stunning footage.

Footage that should be punished. And if you knew me well, you'd understand how significant it is for this generally libertarian person to be saying that.

Droning on and on... · Oct 20, 2023

Cafguy said:
The guy that took the bridge photos could have had permission It is actually a National recreation area and if you start flying your drone in the area I can promise they are on their way to tell you to stop. There are many Attractions besides the bridge so anywhere near the bridge is a No-No.

Watch the second video. You can not get permission to do that. No exceptions.

Droning on and on... · Oct 20, 2023

shb said:
I don't know why they would not want drones flying around the Golden Gate bridge or Grand Canyon.

Pretty much because the ratio of people that want to enjoy these things for their beauty and wow-factor, to those that want to enjoy them for capturing cool video and stills is roughly thousands to 1.

So, when rules, ordinances, etc. are crafted to address this issue, guess who's opinions prevail?

Democracy.

mavic3usa · Oct 20, 2023

Droning on and on... said:
Footage that should be punished. And if you knew me well, you'd understand how significant it is for this generally libertarian person to be saying that.

Not my footage BTW, I don't have those kinds of skillz and I value my drone (I would crash for sure). So, what would you propose as the appropriate punishment for publishing such a heinous video to youtube?

Libertarian?

mobilehomer · Oct 20, 2023

Droning on and on... said:
Irrelevant.

The flight in that second video was massively in violation of many important rules for the safety of unaware people on the bridge driving their cars. And the risk taken flying through the narrow openings at the tops of the towers, and directly over the road surface in between the support cables were extremely dangerous.

All it would take is a strong gust, which happen all the time in that locale, and crash.

Stunning footage.

Footage that should be punished. And if you knew me well, you'd understand how significant it is for this generally libertarian person to be saying that.

Tell the truth, I didn't watch the second video before my post. Yes, that one was highly illegal. I watched it on YouTube and left a comment to that effect. Yes, I know how libertarian you are.

4006448 · Oct 20, 2023

Dangerly said:
I have a collection of photos I've taken of "No drones allowed" signs in famous places, where it should be so obvious that of course you shouldn't fly a drone there, but they have a sign for those people who for whatever reason don't know any better. That said, wouldn't it be amazing to fly a drone at the Grand Canyon or the Golden Gate Bridge?

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It is disappointing - as you say, some locations are obvious why not, yet I don’t understand others.

rgarjr · Oct 20, 2023

shb said:
I don't know why they would not want drones flying around the Golden Gate bridge or Grand Canyon.

On the bridge, I would think people would fly too low to the cars and bridge itself. So I think that's why they don't want drones there.

Cafguy · Oct 20, 2023

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Droning on and on... said:
Watch the second video. You can not get permission to do that. No exceptions.

Actually with a Tethered drone system and the right paperwork it could be done. Not to say thats what happened.

mavic3usa · Oct 20, 2023

rgarjr said:
On the bridge, I would think people would fly too low to the cars and bridge itself. So I think that's why they don't want drones there.

How about these bridges, should they be off limits too because drones might fly too low to the cars or bridge?

Droning on and on... · Oct 20, 2023

mavic3usa said:
Not my footage BTW, I don't have those kinds of skillz and I value my drone (I would crash for sure). So, what would you propose as the appropriate punishment for publishing such a heinous video to youtube?

Libertarian?

Publishing? Nothing.

For slowly flying directly over cars on the road deck for rather long periods of time, putting the people in them at serious risk should something go wrong, an enormous fine. Like $10,000.

Does not justify jail or anything like that.