Say bye bye to DJI being used by any government agency.

[Kilrah]

It is dated today bud and the effective date is November 19th.

Bureaucracy at its finest, a restriction can come and go and it trickles down so slowly that lower levels will only start acting on it a year late and after the whole thing has been cleared already...

Happy not to work for that kind of mess. Makes you wonder what would happen in case of real threat too.

 

[Chip]

This paranoia of America is so silly, I worked at a gov base and during security meetings they would tell us if you see anybody outside the fenced base area with a camera to call security but you can see the entire base on google maps. Unless you work in a tent everything is on the internet. Plus dash cameras take great pictures of everywhere you drive.

Its hard not to be paranoid when the US Army issues a memorandum for the record like this:

 

[Chip]

And you read stories like this:

DJI Drone Flight Logs, Photos and Videos Exposed to Unauthorized Access

 

[sar104]

Its hard not to be paranoid when the US Army issues a memorandum for the record like this:


View attachment 53655

References a and b are really essential context, and of course most people haven't read them. At the time that this was written the threat, or lack thereof, was poorly understood.

 

[Chip]

References a and b are really essential context, and of course most people haven't read them. At the time that this was written the threat, or lack thereof, was poorly understood.

Good point. I cannot recall if I did read them. I do recall reading one DHS report that mentioned basis of concerns with a few examples. There was one involving two neighboring vineyard in napa valley which sounded far fetched to me. Do you know the one Im talking about?

jaysrmc, this sounds and looks like a ton of fun! Glad to see how you fought through that mail scam and got a great job! This seems like a perfect place to fly drones! Truly endless possibilities!

But all we can do is wait and see what happens with this new compliance from the DOE. I didn't see it in there but I also did not read half of it. The company attorney did so I will ask if there is anything about DJI in it. On another note, the M2P is such a wonderful machine to fly. It just feels a lot better than the MP1... Placebo effect or not, it just seems to handle itself much better but I hate taking the filters on and off. It is a pain, a real pain. This is what I have to inspect tomorrow.. Should be a good one to do, they also want a 3d model so I am using the agis system for that. I usually can fly circles around it and then down to the generator and take a picture of all the levels. Pays pretty well on these. View attachment 53271

 

[sar104]

Good point. I cannot recall if I did read them. I do recall reading one DHS report that mentioned basis of concerns with a few examples. There was one involving two neighboring vineyard in napa valley which sounded far fetched to me. Do you know the one Im talking about?

I don't recall that one.

 

[Chip]

Sar, this was the one I was talking about. It was very disturbing for me to read but when I started studying some of the details I began to wonder who to believe. Particularly the example of the wine vineyards which I excerpted below. I would think you would also be outraged as well given your standards of objective critical thinking! But what do you make of the whole report? How much can we discount some or all of this?

Furthermore, the Chinese government is likely using information acquired from DJI systems as a way to target assets they are planning to purchase. For instance, a large family owned wine producer in California purchased DJI UAS to survey its vineyards and monitor grape production. Soon afterwards, Chinese companies began purchasing vineyards in the same
area. According to the SOI, it appeared the companies were able to use DJI data to their own benefit and profit.

https://info.publicintelligence.net/ICE-DJI-China.pdf

 

[Chip]

In other words, Person A uses Mavic to video his vineyard. Next year, Person B from China buys neighboring vineyard and does well. Therefore, Person B must have stolen drone video. It seems illogical to me but should we therefore discount the rest?

 

[Meta4]

Sar, this was the one I was talking about. It was very disturbing for me to read but when I started studying some of the details I began to wonder who to believe. Particularly the example of the wine vineyards which I excerpted below. I would think you would also be outraged as well given your standards of objective critical thinking! But what do you make of the whole report? How much can we discount some or all of this?
https://info.publicintelligence.net/ICE-DJI-China.pdf

There's very little in that report that stands up to intelligent inquiry.
It's paranoid nonsense .

 

[sar104]

Sar, this was the one I was talking about. It was very disturbing for me to read but when I started studying some of the details I began to wonder who to believe. Particularly the example of the wine vineyards which I excerpted below. I would think you would also be outraged as well given your standards of objective critical thinking! But what do you make of the whole report? How much can we discount some or all of this?

Furthermore, the Chinese government is likely using information acquired from DJI systems as a way to target assets they are planning to purchase. For instance, a large family owned wine producer in California purchased DJI UAS to survey its vineyards and monitor grape production. Soon afterwards, Chinese companies began purchasing vineyards in the same
area. According to the SOI, it appeared the companies were able to use DJI data to their own benefit and profit.

https://info.publicintelligence.net/ICE-DJI-China.pdf

Looks like the usual inability to distinguish correlation from causation. And, aside from that, how did a U/FOUO document get unlimited public release?

 

[TheRoach]

I've left DJI over security concerns. There is absolutely no reason for DJI to collect the information they do - none. If you truly believe DJI has 'corrected' the issue and the Chinese government isn't using the data then you must also believe North Korea has denuclearized. I still have a P4P+ and Mavic so will continue to use the forums until they die, crash or I blow them up out of frustration.

It's so bad now that I've seen other manufacturers touting 'Not reporting to the Mothership' as a feature. DJI is doing more to create unnecessary industry regulations than helping the consumer in anyway. DJI is a government and business focused business. We, the consumers, are the test bed for their products and we have to pay for their mistakes when a repair is required.

Been flying Yuneec with RealSense over a year now. Waiting to order the new one with the 1 inch sensor - thinking about selling the P4P+ and Mavic to buy it. Current Typhoon H - 1 update since purchase. Zero no fly incidents due to firmware updates. Zero reporting to the mother country. Zero issues with the drone. Zero crashes.

 

[sar104]

I've left DJI over security concerns. There is absolutely no reason for DJI to collect the information they do - none. If you truly believe DJI has 'corrected' the issue and the Chinese government isn't using the data then you must also believe North Korea has denuclearized. I still have a P4P+ and Mavic so will continue to use the forums until they die, crash or I blow them up out of frustration.

It's so bad now that I've seen other manufacturers touting 'Not reporting to the Mothership' as a feature. DJI is doing more to create unnecessary industry regulations than helping the consumer in anyway. DJI is a government and business focused business. We, the consumers, are the test bed for their products and we have to pay for their mistakes when a repair is required.

Been flying Yuneec with RealSense over a year now. Waiting to order the new one with the 1 inch sensor - thinking about selling the P4P+ and Mavic to buy it. Current Typhoon H - 1 update since purchase. Zero no fly incidents due to firmware updates. Zero reporting to the mother country. Zero issues with the drone. Zero crashes.

Of course there is a reason for DJI to store flight data - their user base, for the most part, wants to have access to those data on a cloud system.

DJI is making a considerable effort to get into corporate and government business, but by far their biggest market is consumers, so you have that backwards. In terms of the enterprise sector it was clear that they did not, originally, appreciate the significance of the data problem, and now they have made a number of changes to address the flight data security concerns more explicitly. I'm comfortable with how that is going.

Which data do you think the Chinese government is acquiring and using?

 

[Meta4]

It's so bad now that I've seen other manufacturers touting 'Not reporting to the Mothership' as a feature. /QUOTE]
What's so bad is the level of paranoia and ignorance that feeds the idea that DJI is reporting to the mothership in the first place.
Once you've swallowed that, you believe anything regardless of evidence to the contrary.

 

[kissmybrass]

,,,,,,,,,, so there is evidence to the contrary? please refer to it here.

 

[Meta4]

,,,,,,,,,, so there is evidence to the contrary? please refer to it here.

There's no evidence to support the paranoia

 

[xman1]

So I guess you'll all be turning off every piece of tech you own that was made in China or uses Chinese parts. Good luck with that ..

More like firewall them. Even my security cams, before they were powered got firewalled. Other devices got removed from all inet communication directly. Just have to take precaution, but every bit of Chinese gear I get these days like to call home a lot.

 

[xman1]

There's no evidence to support the paranoia

Plenty. Just go sniff the application and see the 50 or so sites in calls home to, including multiple corps, chinese telecoms (and routeddirectly from the gov from here I am sure, kinda like we do), etc. I've posted screenshots of this at least once on this forum.

 

[xman1]

Since we are on the subject, let me just add some of the sites this app contacts that I captured. Note I hope a couple pages worth are good enough for you:

 

[xman1]

One more post on the subject here... If you understand how your data gets to the Chinese government, you only need look out how our very own NSA does it. They lease a room at your local telecom company, put in a few million $$$ in equipment and some large pipes to hoover all that data. Verzon does this, Sprint does this, all the major telecoms do it.

See said article for details, though there are plenty more on the subject: Verizon, AT&T Challenged on NSA Spying | TIME.com

One of the above addesses that DJI sends data to is specifically to a Chinese telecom (Do they even have more than one?). The only reason you would send data to such an entity is if you are sharing it with gov resources that I can tell. So yes, there is some major cause for concern and likely why the energy company in question probably is wise to crack down on if it is sensitive info that is being droned.

Now I could probably see what is being shared, but I have decided with all that I am seeing that it is best if my drone never talks to DJI ever again.

 

[ac0j]

LOL!


Good thing you figured that out! They may send Chinese Agents to come to your house, take your riding mower,you television, and your leaf blower all back to China. (where 75% of your electronic devices came from)
Like China has any interest what the average american has or does.......
IF they are doing what you THINK they are doing, they are looking for bigger fish to fry. no need for you to think you are stopping a SINGLE thing by firewalling cameras, and other nonsense.
They are probably rolling on their floor laughing reading this Thread! And, YES they can read this thread too!