brettbrandon
Well-Known Member
It only takes one not being able to take off to lose a customer. A backup plan with a DJI bird is a must. Thats why I went NLD... Fifty bucks is alot cheaper than another bird!
Also, while flying an alternate bird may be an option is some circumstances, the mapping package I use only works with DJI birds. This makes life difficult. Then there is the aircraft insurance we have to carry. (Insurance is way more expensive than the bird.)
May be I can help.The question had nothing at all to do with your honesty, but now I'm really puzzled by the total lack of an answer. Did you not understand the question? Aside from which, how do you expect anyone to assist you with such a completely vague description of the issue. You haven't given any locations, haven't described the messages associated with the inability to take off, the class of airspace, the Geo zone category, how you obtained authorizations, what you did with those authorizations, or posted any flight logs. You have given us absolutely nothing to work with. Are these locations that required LAANC authorizations or not? If you are saying that you cannot take off anywhere, restrictions or not, in any class of airspace, then there is clearly a deeper problem that definitely doesn't afflict all Part 107 pilots.
And if your question is solely can you get rid of DJI Geo restrictions then the realistic answer is no, and that is not the appropriate or necessary solution for legal flights.
May be I can help.
I am confronted with a situation that seems similar to the OP' issue.
I fly at a local lake that does not require LAANC authorization.
DJI's geo fencing shows the spot to be outside of it's blue shaded Authorization Zone, but the app still displays "Cannot take-off"
Kittyhawk also shows it to be, as I interpret it, class G airspace...green grid as far as the eye can see to the east.
But, Ok, I'll play along.
Four weeks ago, I applied for and received a verification code to self unlock at the very site in question. Two weeks ago, I was again able to self unlock at the same site.
Today, I received a verification code for the self unlock, but after entering the code, I received a site cannot be unlocked message error code 3002...WTF?
I think the M2Zoom is a better drone than the MP1, but the constant error messages, beeping noises (I have obstacle avoidance turned off), popups, etc... are ruining the experience.
My MP1 does not have 1/10th the restrictions the M2Zoom has. I suspect it's because I have not updated the fly safe zones. I still have Art as a color profile.
I would think that the FAA through LAANC should be the bottom line, and that DJI' geo zones should co-ordinate by the GPS co-ordinates exactly.
Is DJI over doing the safety play? I can certainly understand that they would want to, but going too far with safety is as likely to hurt sales (if sales are still breathing), as much as the risk of news grabbing accidents, which from my perspective, are on the decline, maybe it's the election season.
I still enjoy flying; especially with the goggles. But, if this continues, I will 86 the Zoom and stick with the older models.
I would say, I'll just keep pursuing Class G airspace, and not worry about all of this, but I am in class G, albeit near the edge.
WTF?
I think I have experienced what he is talking about. There have been a handful of cases when in front of my home when after receiving LAANC authorization and checking all the boxes in Go4. The app says "unlock successful " yet the red "can not take off" still appears in the upper left. Usually when that happens I shut everything down and start again. Sometimes this works but there have been times that no matter what I do the restricted area will not unlock. For reference I an flying a Mavic Air and I use Airmap to submit flight plans and receive authorization. I can see how this would be frustrating if it happened all the time. Luckily it only happens to me occasionally.It's difficult when the OP won't give any information to identify his problem.
Ok...here's some of the factsNo - that doesn't help at all because it's yet another anecdote with no pertinent information. If the aircraft says "cannot take off" then there is a reason. If the reason is airspace then it must be in one of the DJI Geo zones. If it isn't in a Geo zone then something else entirely is going on. Without the location and a flight log this is another pointless guessing game.
Ok...here's some of the facts
Apple Maps shows the spot in question as lat/long 36.357348, and -94.072594
Kitty hawk shows the spot as 36.35721, and -94.07262...close enough, as I recorded the Kittyhawk measurement from the road, and the Apple measurement is from the 'beach' area of the lake finger albeit by dragging the pin to the area as I am very familiar with it.
This lat/long is clearly in the middle of a Kittyhawk/LAANC green grid area. It is not on the edge. My intended direction of flight is over the lake moving further and further away from the geo zone.
I was mistaken when I first replied, though, DJI does show this spot as being within the DJI geo zone. It's my home they show outside of the zone.
But, what is wrong is that there are these inconsistencies between the Kittyhawk/LAANC, and DJI. In my opinion, being that Kittyhawk is authorized by the FAA to be a LAANC facilitator, and DJI is not, Kittyhawk should prevail, when in doubt. In this case/spot, Kittyhawk/LAANCE recognize this as safe to fly.
It may be too much to ask of DJI being that they are in China, but I think they should make more of an effort to align with LAANC. We are referring to Lat/Long numbers. This should be doable.
If that cannot be done, then, if the phone number previously used to request self-unlock is used at the same Lat/Long at another date/time, then be consistent in the unlock approval process. Twice approved, once rejected makes no sense, and is frustrating.
For me the solution is simple, bring my MP Alpine White...no fencing; currently.
Ok...here's some of the facts
Apple Maps shows the spot in question as lat/long 36.357348, and -94.072594
Kitty hawk shows the spot as 36.35721, and -94.07262...close enough, as I recorded the Kittyhawk measurement from the road, and the Apple measurement is from the 'beach' area of the lake finger albeit by dragging the pin to the area as I am very familiar with it.
This lat/long is clearly in the middle of a Kittyhawk/LAANC green grid area. It is not on the edge. My intended direction of flight is over the lake moving further and further away from the geo zone.
I was mistaken when I first replied, though, DJI does show this spot as being within the DJI geo zone. It's my home they show outside of the zone.
But, what is wrong is that there are these inconsistencies between the Kittyhawk/LAANC, and DJI. In my opinion, being that Kittyhawk is authorized by the FAA to be a LAANC facilitator, and DJI is not, Kittyhawk should prevail, when in doubt. In this case/spot, Kittyhawk/LAANCE recognize this as safe to fly.
It may be too much to ask of DJI being that they are in China, but I think they should make more of an effort to align with LAANC. We are referring to Lat/Long numbers. This should be doable.
If that cannot be done, then, if the phone number previously used to request self-unlock is used at the same Lat/Long at another date/time, then be consistent in the unlock approval process. Twice approved, once rejected makes no sense, and is frustrating.
For me the solution is simple, bring my MP Alpine White...no fencing; currently.
As sar104 mentioned, that spot is in the Rodgers Class D airspace. You need to seek a LAANC authorization to legally fly there (up to 400 feet at that spot), and then go through DJI's dialog box where you confirm you have authorization.
"Green" in KittyHawk doesn't mean you can fly there without going through proper procedures. It means LAANC is available there up to 400 feet.
By prevail, I mean that DJI should not have the control to be more conservative than the LAANC restriction. Is that exercise of control any different than a municipality, or other governance restricting the flight because they are inserting their preference above the governance of the FAA?
Does this mean that the self-unlock is tied to the LAANC authorization database? I did not think it was, and would be surprised to learn it is, but would prefer that it be exactly tied, which is the crux of my argument of the inconsistency.As sar104 mentioned, that spot is in the Rodgers Class D airspace. You need to seek a LAANC authorization to legally fly there (up to 400 feet at that spot), and then go through DJI's dialog box where you confirm you have authorization.
"Green" in KittyHawk doesn't mean you can fly there without going through proper procedures. It means LAANC is available there up to 400 feet.
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